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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 6, 2010 19:27:51 GMT -5
I get that. He was a disaster. He should never got the belt.
But that said, with different booking, wouldn't it have been better. Isn't that the fault of the writing rather than the wrestler?
If they would have written Batista getting pinned all the time, with a similar run, wouldn't it have been just as big of a disaster?
Again, you're talking to someone who can't stand Mysterio.
I haven't seen Styles in a long time, but I liked the guy from what I remember. If McMahon can acknowledge Mysterio and put the belt on him, how could it be impossible for Styles to succeed in the WWE?
I just think that if booked right, any talented wrestler can make it,.
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Post by heartybooooo on Jan 7, 2010 7:15:01 GMT -5
Styles is similar in build to the Hardy's and they have had decent pushes. But they are the exception.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 7, 2010 8:47:01 GMT -5
So if he's a similar build to Hardy, and Hardy clearly had a great run in the WWE, then there's no reason to think the same can't happen to Styles, should McMahon sign him and do a proper push.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 7, 2010 10:59:01 GMT -5
Styles is more squat than the Hardys, but with better musculature. He is also shorter, he is pretty much shorter than anyone in both companies, Hornswoggle aside.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 7, 2010 11:22:39 GMT -5
It would all depend on what McMahon wants. Taz came into the WWE as a nearly unbeatable ECW main eventer. He really only started to lose when he was on the way out.
But he got to the WWF, had a great debut match against Angle, and then was nothing until he got behind the booth.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Jan 8, 2010 8:17:22 GMT -5
OK. Sorry I have been away but I did not want to come on here and read stuff until I was able to watch both.
The TNA show was so far surperior to Raw it was not even close. In fact I am watching it a second time as I type. Now you guys know I was late to the TNA party and am no means a TNA mark. TNA felt like old times where anything can happen at any time. Raw is tired where they just use the same formulas and same matches/buildup week after week. I hope this does lead them to being on their toes and having to step up their game. I mean you can predict what the results and what is coming in WWE 95% of the time. I will say Shaemus was a nice recent surprise and they need to do more stuff like that and deviate from the formula.
I just hope TNA doesn't go to Monday nights because I will need another TIVO due to all the conflicts..LOL
I find it funny James applauding Raw for the more wrestling when 99% of the TNA shows have tons more wrestling then Raw does. If he is speaking to just the one episode then I understand but I think TNA needed to go the route they did because with the anticipation and mystery of what Hogan was going to do they had the opportunity to lay the seeds as Tom said to go in so many directions with so many different things.......
Raw was interesting from a historical point of view for wrestling fans like us though I bet a good percentage of WWE fans in that audience didn't even know what the Montreal screwjob was other then that Raw was no big deal.....I agree that you gotta love Vince for the way he played it and it was interesting to see the looks on Harts and HBK's faces as they "hugged".....I also agree from Balls post in another thread that Ventura has been the best guest host so far....Hopefully Tyson will do something to change that next week......
If I were Vince I might be starting to worry just a little bit........
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 8, 2010 8:40:51 GMT -5
Cap nailed a lot of it straight on. TNA IS the wrestling show of the two. In fact, Hogan has pointed to that as a strength.
Couple of notes. One, TNA is likely to go Monday nights. Its what everyone wants. One cool trick they can pull is going 8-10 weekly and constantly having a head-start on Raw. But that wont be as much fun as two live entities battling it out. I already have my Monday planned if they did the 8-10....watch TNA live, then watch Raw that night on the DVR. If they go against each other, Raw will have to wait.
Ive also read most of the Hogan cronies (Hall, X-Pac, Val, Nasty Boys) are signed to SHORT-TERM deals. This will NOT be the focus of the company. Flair is signed for a year, he will be at all the TVs and PPVs, for now as a mentor to Styles. Not sure of the long-term plan.
Hogan admitted a mistake in not following up a hot live show with new programming, although last night allowed people hit with a buzz of whats going on to check out the replay. But we need to wait a full week for another episode of Impact (which has already been taped - this past Tuesday, in fact)
And yes, TNA was the better show on the night. In fact, most say if you took away the opening and closing segments (Hart - HBK / Hart - Vince) you had, once again, the same old, same old, from Raw. BORING.
This is going to be fun!
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Post by thecaptain15 on Jan 9, 2010 8:07:52 GMT -5
From the UK SUn:
Russo hits out at poor Raw
By SIMON ROTHSTEIN
Published: 08 Jan 2010
CONTROVERSIAL TNA booker Vince Russo has hit out at the WWE following Impact's head to head battle with Raw on Monday night. Russo — who wrote for both WWE and WCW during the original Monday Night Wars — said Vince McMahon's show lacked punch despite Bret Hart's return.
He said: "I sat in the production truck and I watched our shows side-by-side on Monday night.
"It was great to see Bret — I love the guy — always have.
"But as our show went on, and as I watched his, I just kept asking myself — 'where's the effort?'
"Does Vince think that little of TNA that he felt that he could just produce 'another show' on Monday night?
"I mean, you take away that first segment and that last segment, and you had a wrestling show that wasn't even mediocre at best."
Speaking of Impact — which featured the TNA debut of Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff — Russo added: "We learned a lot, on Monday night as a company — a lot.
"We hit some home runs, but also struck out once or twice, but that's OK.
"What really mattered is that we took risks. We gave you everything we had and didn't play it safe."
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 9, 2010 12:11:14 GMT -5
He's spot on. Raw has had a formula they do not deviate from, and its become stale and boring. He nailed it.
And now, after Tyson hosting next week, we have Don Johnson and Joe Haeder or whoever one week, and the two jerkoffs from PSYCHE the next.......who cares?? Talk about a downer. TNA should get to Mondays by the week after Tyson.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jan 12, 2010 11:20:34 GMT -5
I think that happened during HBK's reign as champ. Raw got very stale, which allowed WCW to temporarily become the top company.
Theoretically, competition will force the WWE to get better.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 12, 2010 15:46:43 GMT -5
Brooke Hogan, on Bubba the Love Sponge's show this morning, let slip an upcoming Monday night live broadcast. She actually mentioned this coming Monday, but that seems too soon (although its the night after the PPV) - I can only hope. I want this Monday night war.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Jan 14, 2010 10:38:55 GMT -5
Stone Cold Steve Austin will host the March 15 edition of Raw, which takes place just two weeks before Wrestlemania 26.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 14, 2010 14:36:46 GMT -5
While at first I met that news with a bit of a shrug, the realization later that at some point that night we will probably see Austin, Vince, Bret Hart, and HBK all interacting, has me stoked.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 28, 2010 9:10:29 GMT -5
Well, the shit is ON, folks!
TNA WILL be going to Mondays, starting in March. They will be live every other Monday, with the next week taped the preceding Tuesday. While it would be ideal to go live every Monday, this is a better option financially. Plus, "spoilers" dont mean so much to more people than you realize.
As for me, I will watch every TNA live show as it happens while DVRing Raw. On the taped weeks, I will watch Raw and DVR Impact. I simply prefer the TNA product. One other thing to watch is what time slot....9-11 and straight up head to head? Or 8-10, where they get a head-start, but leave WWE a free hour to play with at 10?
Vince must be PISSED. TNA can draw a shoddy rating, and it STILL means Vince is losing audience. The benefits to us as fans are immense. Vince needs to step it up!
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Post by thecaptain15 on Jan 28, 2010 12:53:47 GMT -5
I would rather it the different day..I may have to resort to DVRing RAW on Wednesdays when it is on MUN so I can DVR TNA.......as I also DVR House on Monday Nights and then my wife usually has some reality crap on one of the other channels going.........
But the benefit is that WWE may have finally have to step up instead of bring he same old formula driven product...
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jan 28, 2010 13:27:09 GMT -5
One thing that helps our recording the reality sort of stuff is multiple playings throughout the night...while House is on when its on, anything else taping 9-11 may be replayed at around 1AM.
I prefer the war. There is just more energy.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Feb 1, 2010 10:27:04 GMT -5
Brett Hart better make things interesting somehow. I mean I predicted the winner last night before the show even started (and I was not privy to any spoilers). This is why TNA is a much better and interesting product right now. WWE sticking with the same stupid formulas. I mean I am glad Edge is back and if someone won last night, I am very glad it was him but it is just so predicatble...see Cena's last Rumble win. I was just glad HBK didn't win it (sorry James) but was also sure he wasn't when HHH said to him backstage early in the card during their the vignette "I am sure you'll find another way"..I think it makes it somewhat more interesting as well (if HBK can curb his over the top acting), as HBK will have to chase and dog Taker to get him to agree to a match.....Also who would Edge go after? Gotta think if Taker does go the HBK route then Sheamus will drop the belt cause I can't see Vince letting one of the main events be Sheamus vs. Edge. So let's see what Vince and the writers do with this. I will say it is at least surprising and refreshing that Vince it letting Sheamus hold the belt for a little bit. Tom I agree with the guests hosts...I mean it is to the point where most don't show up until half way through and it is not like they really act like GMs anyways as most of the matches are set so it it pointless (outside of their "promotions")
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 1, 2010 10:40:43 GMT -5
History shows that at least when it comes to being interesting, Bret Hart is no match for Hulk Hogan. Hart isn't really that much of a ratings draw. After all, he didn't do shit for Nitro.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Feb 15, 2010 14:46:13 GMT -5
Watching the TNA press conference live off their website right now, they are announcing the Monday head to head. 9-11 weekly, one week live, one week taped. Ill watch the live live, and the taped after the live Raw. So Ill be mixing these shows up, watching TNA when its live first and foremost.
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Post by grover on Feb 15, 2010 16:43:36 GMT -5
Hopefully this will improve raw, but I dont really see them stepping their game up just yet. I think that they think a minor tweak will help, but it won't.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 15, 2010 18:01:14 GMT -5
Every few years, the WWE gets stale because the main eventers remain main eventers, and it's hard to change things up and get new guys involved.
That's one reason I enjoy Sheamus as champ--it was kind of out of the blue.
TNA has some excitement in part because a ton of new wrestlers, even though they were WWE guys, debuted at the same time, creating new storylines.
They need to come up with something other than John Cena is the champ, or John Cena is the top contender.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 8, 2010 8:43:34 GMT -5
INCLUDES SPOILERS
Well, tonight its on! Ill be watching TNA live, next week Ill do reverse and watch Raw live, as TNA is taped. But regardless...
RVD will be there tonight. Sting will return tonight. And Jeff Hardy is supposed to be there tonight. TNA is promising something HUGE in the first 5 minutes of the show, something to rock the house. They've been pushing this hard. So we'll see where it goes.
Obviously the main is Hogan and Abyss vs Flair and Styles. Im very much looking forward to the "returns to the ring" although yes, Hogan is pretty much crippled and Flair is going back on his word, which really means nothing in wrestling, and its a true non-issue regardless.
So yeah, watching TNA and DVRing Raw. May or may not watch Raw after, but probably will skip till tomorrow. What are all your plans?
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 8, 2010 10:05:00 GMT -5
With Flair in TNA, did they acknowledge Flair being retired and not wanting to wrestle because of that?
Granted, Flair and Hogan have been wrestling off camera at house shows, but curious if the WM angle was acknowledged.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 8, 2010 10:14:19 GMT -5
Yeah, it was indeed touched upon. When Hogan "ordered " the match, Flair did his crazy-man act, screaming, "Im retired! I cant wrestle anymore!" So it was mentioned, albeit in passing.
It was pretty much hinted Flair was ordered against his will, breaking the covenant to wrestle again by Hogan, though Hogan is the good guy here.
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Post by sean on Mar 8, 2010 12:12:18 GMT -5
I'll be watching TNA live-ish, or TiVo-live. Let the recording get a head start, and tune in around 9:20-9:30, to FF thru commercials. Won't bother with Raw as I haven't watched a full Raw in months. I've been paying attention to the Bret Hart stuff, but it has gotten stale quickly
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 8, 2010 12:23:34 GMT -5
At best I will watch TNA Live and RAW on Tivo and at worst watch both on Tivo...
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 8, 2010 13:07:31 GMT -5
In part, you have to blame the WWE for the whole Flair thing. Since when has ANY retirement match ever actually been someone's final match?
Isn't it true that Flair didn't really want to do the angle anyway?
And isn't it true that Flair wanted to wrestle more?
So if that's the case, why would the WWE do such an angle when they KNEW at some point Flair would wrestle again, be it with the WWE or not?
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 8, 2010 13:08:51 GMT -5
Watching Raw live then TNA after, and I'm not going to be happy having to watch the TNA main event in order to write about it.
As for TNA surprises, the only people who will be surprised is the morons in Orlando, everyone else knows happening. Sting and Jeff Hardy, so they're re-doing the show from January, awesome.
TNa is still too sporadic for my taste, am I high or didn't the Pope become number 1 contender yet now because Abyss is Hogan's new tiny dog, Styles is feuding with him? Angle and Anderson week in and week out are the highlight of the show. Period.
Raw is not much better, but I do think there is a little more direction in WWE. TNA is too potpourri, it's like watching a variety wrestling show. Which is why everyone on here above 30 loves it, it's like the fucking Gong Show with wrestling. I agree WWE is corny most the time, but to me TNA is over the top corny. We get is Nash, you're heart is broken because you have to deal with EY in a Fonzie jacket, no one blames you, but you agreed to the angle so stop bitching how you were friends for 20 years, there's a better chance Bret Hart really has a crushed leg than there is Nash being pissed at Hall and the Kid. We get it Abyss, you're like a superhero cause of some stupid ring. Yeah there's no child like material on TNA. Jeff Jarrett is flipping burgers? Bragging how he makes the best burgers ever? Yeah fucking right. God, TNA is so edgy.
I'm not saying WWE isn't hurting, but TNA is not what ECW was in 93 or 94. Not everything is a holy shit moment in TNA like some people here like to make it out to be. It just makes me laugh to think I get treated like a dumb shit cause of certain wrestlers I like even when I'm objective. No I have blinders. Now, TNA is leading the wrestling revolution to some cause of fucking Hogan blinders and it's obvious. I'll watch TNA in real time after Raw including commercials and I'll still know what's going to happen before the show ends. Why? Because I can. Enjoy.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 8, 2010 13:09:22 GMT -5
So if that's the case, why would the WWE do such an angle when they KNEW at some point Flair would wrestle again, be it with the WWE or not?
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 8, 2010 13:11:15 GMT -5
Exactly. Plus Flair needs cash now too with another divorce around the corner. Maybe he can use Hogan's lawyer.
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