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Post by rlm6370 on Mar 9, 2010 20:33:35 GMT -5
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 10, 2010 9:43:40 GMT -5
Holy Christ on a Pony Tom, I get that. I'm saying I don't like it and don't agree with it. Am I typing my post in Chinese and I just don't know it? I think it's silly fucking writing. Do I have the right to have that opinion or you just gonna tell me Lockdown again?
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Post by grover on Mar 10, 2010 15:36:39 GMT -5
Watched RAW while eating breakfast, and wow, that show is horrible. I can honestly say I FF most of it, because I HAVE to to get to a match.
RAW is noting but a DVD set commercial with a few matches. Terrible.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 11, 2010 8:24:45 GMT -5
Too many shows on at 9pm Monday so Raw didn't DVR. Who was the new HOFer?
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 11, 2010 10:12:05 GMT -5
They actually did not name a new one last week. Expect Stu Hart this coming week, with Stone Cold probably behind it, as Vince said "no" in storyline. Guest Host Austin may push it through. Also, the Ultimate Warrior rumors are starting up again....
TNA next week went with AJ vs Jeff Hardy as their main event. Expect another bloodbath though, as WWE is heading into Mania, with Austin as guest host and plenty of hot matches already announced.
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Post by grover on Mar 11, 2010 13:05:04 GMT -5
TNa had another few solid matches this week. The X-division match was solid.
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Post by rlm6370 on Mar 12, 2010 9:13:17 GMT -5
How bad will Impact's ratings be this week. A taped show vs 3 Wrestlemania rematches and Stone Cold.
BTW: NXT rating was 1.0, so WWE's D show beat Impact.
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Post by heartybooooo on Mar 12, 2010 9:32:25 GMT -5
While acknowleding that TNA got a small number, I would be curious of some context. I wonder what Spike's usual rating is at this time. I know USA is among the most watched cable network and Spike is more of a niche network. It may not be an apples and apples comparison.
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Post by grover on Mar 12, 2010 11:12:38 GMT -5
Probably much worse than what TNA drew.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 12, 2010 15:26:56 GMT -5
Main thing is Spike does not want much less an audience than they already had with wrestling on a Thursday in the Monday slot. TNA needs to get back up to that 1.2-1.3 range at the least. TNA spun the ratings in positive fashion, citing improved #s in the male demos, but apparently there was some inner hand-wrangling. TNA execs were pretty dissapointed, even while Spike execs saw postives.
One problem, Chris, is even if TNA improves the # on Monday nights, they are going to see Spike pull worse #s on Thursday nights. Spike would like the bigger ratings, preferably on a Monday....but TNA would need to improve on what they had Thursdays.
Ive already heard that talk may soon start about quietly moving back to Thursdays, which is always an option. Or, better yet, people are pushing for TNA to go 8-10, with an unopposed first hour, to get a head-start. Problem with that is most agree if this does happen, Raw will also tack on that extra hour, and go 8-11 weekly!
Most believe TNA will end up back on Thursdays. Its going to be a tough road. I still enjoy Monday battles though.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 15, 2010 10:49:12 GMT -5
Ok, so yeah, TNA got backed in the ratings Monday night.....HOWEVER, the Thursday night replay did a whopping 1.0 rating, which defied every belief. Add the two figures together, and TNA had quite a nice showing last week. So, to this end, say bye bye to the replay on Thursdays. They are going to try to make a dent on Mondays, either "live" or via DVRs (which are indeed taken into ratings consideration at the end of the day)
So interest was there. Appears a lot of people were like, why choose if i really do not have to. Lets see what happens once word is really out that there is no longer a TNA replay.
Tonight TNA counters an incredibly strong Raw on paper with a taped show which features a main-event of AJ Styles vs Jeff Hardy. As much as I enjoy TNA more, I believe I will watch the live Raw and DVR TNA. Next week it will be back to watching TNA live. But I have not made my decision for sure on tonight yet.
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Post by sean on Mar 15, 2010 13:54:56 GMT -5
I've always wondered how TiVo effects ratings. What if I'm not home but record both Impact & Raw?Do both shows get the ratings? Neither? Or is it treated differently if I watch one live and record the other?
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Post by sean on Mar 15, 2010 13:59:47 GMT -5
2 more things...how did Nitro do in its debut? I would assume they got clobbered by Raw also. and, if TNA really wants to beat Raw, they have to be an alternative, not the imitation they have been the last few weeks. Focus on the wrestling, call their guys "wrestlers" and not "superstars", and for Gods sakes, drop the cartoon BS, like Abyss and The Power of The Ring. and please, stop with the weekly heel/face turns...guys are going face/heel/face/tweener/face/heel over the course of months
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 15, 2010 14:20:51 GMT -5
Well, DVR ratings count only to an extent...they are simply looked at by the networks and such as eyeballs seeing their product. They would rather the straight number over the DVR # in most respects, especially as most people who DVR do not watch the ads (which does not help the ad rates) The show you watch live is helped more.
Also, DVR #s are only counted if they are watched that same night, or I believe the next day. Its not something that is counted eternally. It guages interest in the product, pretty much. TNA would rather you watch THEM and DVR Raw, and vice versa, bottom line.
NItro is a different animal. When Nitro debuted, WCW was very close to WWE, their Saturday night ratings were huge. There was already an interest. And I believe in week one of Nitro, they drew like a 3.2 to Raws 3.6 or some such. Totally different animal.
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Post by sean on Mar 15, 2010 15:02:42 GMT -5
interesting. thanks for the info
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 15, 2010 15:28:58 GMT -5
I said in the beginning they should have stayed on Thursdays.....I don't like their chances and I hope it doesn't kill TNA all together when or if they try to switch back....So far it is not like Raw has been any better being "pushed" by TNA.......That being said I am sure Monday should be good with Stone Cold and no Nascar driver or actor host....
Wasn't Mad Dog Vachon inducted or was that last week? By they way I like inductions like that..Guys who deserve it but you think would never get the nod and don't have some DVD coming out.....
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Post by 4dogg on Mar 15, 2010 16:48:50 GMT -5
what about The Butcher?
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 15, 2010 18:34:10 GMT -5
Well, again, TNA simply wants what they had on a Thursday on Mondays, that will be considered a success. Combine the two ratings and TNA had their highest ratings ever last week....lets see how this shakes out. TNA is not deluding themselves that they will be beating Raw. But if they can draw a 1.2-1.4 on Monday nights...
This taped stuff does not help, with people like me, but an overwhelming amount of viewers neither know of - or care - about "spoilers." But tonight COULD be a bloodbath with a stacked Raw.
Cap, heres the deal on the Hall. WWE, in a press conference today announced that Gorgeous George - the male one - will be going in. This ties in with a movie WWE is producing about him. Bob Ueker may be announced tonight for the Celebrity wing. Stu Hart will also go in, and thats a wrap for this year.
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Post by sean on Mar 15, 2010 19:12:17 GMT -5
funny thing about TNA, I have a hard time getting spoilers for their taped shows. i'm sure they're out there, but the site I go to (prowrestling.net) never seems to have them, though they always have spoilers for any taped WWE show. That said, live is definately better. That's why i continued to watch Raw long after giving up on Smackdown, which may very well be a much better show. But Raw, crappy as it is, still has the potential for that live, anything can happen moment
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Post by rlm6370 on Mar 16, 2010 20:42:05 GMT -5
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that is all
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 17, 2010 10:58:21 GMT -5
K so I missed the first week and I figured I'd put this here and not in my thread, but either way, no one is going to like what I have to say. I'm calling it right down the middle, exactly as it is. Without going into a lot of detail about two weeks back, TNA had the better first week. Ratings might have not ben there, but from a quality standpooint, TNA was good, better than WWE. This week, TNA was better, not by much, but better. WWE was too, although there is still a lot to be desired of Monday Night Raw. But if you think all this is going to be is a TNA suck fest and WWE bashing, WRONG. Just cause one is better, doesn't mean it's great, or even that much better than the other.
We;ll start with TNA. The promos with AJ/flair and Hogan and Abyss were good. You watch just for Styles and Naitch but the other dick isn't terrible. the flaw in all this is Abyss. The gimmick with the ring is stupid and he's just not a good pick to stand toe to toe with Naitch and even AJ who is better than ever on the stick with Naitch.
I was happy to see The Beautiful People get the belts, although it's setting up for Angelina to win, but still, the celebration was really fucking funny in my mind, and made the belts feel important. This past week the X Division was given it's biggest push in months, and just that onesegment did what months of matches didn't.
And Thank God Beer Money is getting the main push again, and also getting back to being heels. But other than that, Abyss, Jarrett, Hogan, Bischoff, Nash, Hall and Kid are just taking up space. It isn't terrible to watch but there isn't much entertaining about those programs.
Now on to WWE. First and foremost, I'll be the first to say I want as much in ring action as possible. However, I understand the lack of it heading into Mania. Why have Edge, Michaels, Jericho etc, have then in the ring for 6 minute matches? It ain't worth risking them getting hurt and losing some major selling points for Mania? Especially like I said, since it's only 5 minute matches anyway.
That being said, i won;t sit here bitching about the lack of matches but I can't say they've been doing a good job lately. It's also pointless to list what I like and don't like since most of every show would be listed. Somethings work, others don't. Mania has been and always will be about the in ring work, not huge surprises keeping the fans guessing. Picking the winners has never been hard, but it isn't about who wins and loses as it is making all four hours, four of the best hours of wrestling all year. And in that regard, I think WWE will succeed. Untill next week, enjoy your St. Patty's Day, don't do anything I would do.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 17, 2010 14:05:43 GMT -5
TNA had the better first week. Ratings might have not ben there, but from a quality standpooint, TNA was good, better than WWE. This week, TNA was better, not by much, but better. WWE was too, although there is still a lot to be desired of Monday Night Raw.
Agree 100% with this assessment.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 17, 2010 15:06:30 GMT -5
I agree with both of you.
I found Raw more formulaic than most did this week, but it was better than an awful week before. But its still crusty stale. TNA is a better watch. It sucks the ratings were where they were.....but lets give it another week. Live show vs live show (though the timing could not be worse for this, leading into Mania) and the word of "no Thursday replay" will be out. Keep in mind just last week, combining the two airings, TNA had their BEST RATING EVER for a show. This week, with one....it was among the worst.
Im still feeling ok for TNA. I wonder if they are going to go 8-10 soon to get that jump on Raw.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 17, 2010 18:27:49 GMT -5
I think TNA should have waited at least a few weeks at a minimum after Mania before making the switch to Mondays.....
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 18, 2010 10:00:53 GMT -5
Well, TNA has backtracked on one thing - after announcing over and over they were NOT going to replay the show on Thursday this week, they changed course and will be. They are obviously looking to add eyes to the worst rating they have had since 2006.
As someone who was craving a Monday night war, I cant see it going on too long, unless TNA really changes course. Sadly, Im a fan of the product as it is. But anyway, replay Thursday night, after all.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 24, 2010 18:45:09 GMT -5
Well, this one would piss Vince and the WWE off, and may actually lead to weekly 3 hour Raws....
Looks like starting on 4/5 TNA will be airing from 8-10, rather than 9-11, giving them an added jump on Raw. This will only help them. It will also help me, as I would DVR Raw weekly and be able to watch both shows in the one night.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 24, 2010 21:02:12 GMT -5
That makes better sense cause maybe they will get a bigger 8-9pm number......Mondays are a killer for me now cause I also have House going on Mondays as well and that doesn't count whatever reality TV shows are going on that day the my wife TIVOs.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 26, 2010 8:53:09 GMT -5
Well, a bit of an update on this - for now its a "one-time thing" to go from 8-10, with TNA citing that nights NCAA Championship game as the reason. They are trying to get a jump on that. But from most accounts they are going to see how this does, and go from there, so it very well may become the going thing.
Luckily we have 2 DVR boxes.
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Post by rlm6370 on Mar 30, 2010 19:49:10 GMT -5
3.7 to .6, time for drastic action
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Post by grover on Mar 30, 2010 21:37:10 GMT -5
That's understandable.
Day after wrestlemania, Hart thank you speech, HBK farewell speech. Results for those who didn't get it and don't read sites.
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