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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 29, 2010 10:26:24 GMT -5
They have C/DH with Jorge. He can't be traded for the sake of being traded.
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Post by joetee316 on Nov 2, 2010 7:59:36 GMT -5
I was reading that the Yankees want to bring Nunez up to play SS on a daily basis (which is obvious) and move Jeter to 3rd. That's silly though. I think A-Rod is the better fielder. I can't see the Yankees offering Jeter more than a 1 year/$10 million contract. He was pathetic to watch this year. Posada needs to be phased out. Bring Montero up and they share the duties but granted people will have a field day running on us. If it gets to be out of hand, time to deal Montero. I am not looking forward to those contract negotiations though with Jeter and Posada. Jeter's is this year though and I don't really see that getting ugly. Posada's will but the Yankees can just say, "take it or leave it." It should be a real interesting off-season.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 2, 2010 8:19:35 GMT -5
Hard to say. But I don't think the Yankees are going to play major hardball with Jeter. Posada is likely going to be in his final year as a Yankee, and it's timed pretty well. Even with Montero likely bombing behind the plate, Romine in theory should be ready to go by the time Posada is done.
I hope so.
Ken Davidoff is a dummy. He actually thinks the Yanks should sign Giambi. As if we need another failure to return to the Yankees. Plus, he brings absolutely nothing to the table.
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Post by heartybooooo on Nov 2, 2010 8:25:19 GMT -5
Joe- you're crazy if you don't think Jeter is going to get a multi-year deal. I'll be amazed if it is as short as 3.
I don't see how Lee doesn't hit the free agent market and signs in the 5 day period- if nothing else he would want to use the Yankees as leverage or leave money on the table. I think the Yanks will throw crazy money at him. Look what they did with Sabathia. They paid him $30 million more than anyone else. Money talks, malarky walks. If he wants the money, he'll be a Yankee.
I know there is a lot of what I think is irrational hate on this board for Swisher. He's far from perfect, but his ability to get on base and his pitches per plate appearance are vastly underrated here. I think if Granderson can hit all year like he did in the last month or so it will be a great improvement. And while Posada is a good hitting catcher, he is a sub par DH. I think he is gone after next year. I won't miss him; I've never been a fan.
I agree with Tom and wouldn't be surprised if Montero was traded. Maybe for pitching. He is not the long term answer at catcher and first base and DH will not be open as the aging players (probably ARod and his hip) will need the DH slot.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 2, 2010 9:02:35 GMT -5
I think that it's not impossible, but it's a long shot to expect Granderson to hit like he did in the last month, which was kind of overrated because he had a lot of HRs. If he can improve the way Swisher improved from 2009-10, then yes, it would be a big boost.
Trading Montero could definitely happen, but not for the sake of trading him. It would have to be the right deal.
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Post by heartybooooo on Nov 2, 2010 9:33:56 GMT -5
They are walking a tight rope with Montero as he obviously has more value as a power hitting catcher rather than a power hitting DH/1B. If they play him, they could really expose him which would drop his value. That is why trading him sooner may be most adventageous. And obviously not just to trade him but for something of value.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 2, 2010 9:41:55 GMT -5
I think that if WE know that, other teams also know that.
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Post by Chris on Nov 4, 2010 14:03:47 GMT -5
Per Balls instruction - taking it to the board.
Here's my take:
Last year's stats are equal to 1/6th of Jeter's entire stats. I still believe, as a player, he is closer to the entirety of the backside of his baseball card, than he is to last season's stats.
I think he is still an approximate .300 / 200 hits-per-season guy and an adequate SS. Based on that AND his intangible value, and more importantly (from a business standpoint) the INCREDIBLE PR boost he gives that Yanks, he's worth a big contract. Maybe not 6 years/ 20mill per big, but BIG.
And look, as I said, from a business standpoint - how much $$$ does Derek Jeter translate to for the New York Yankees - they're a bigger draw on the road because of DJ (not that they wouldn't be a big draw anyway), t-shirts, bobble-heads, posters ... merchandising galore. From a business standpoint, dude is cash cow!
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 4, 2010 14:38:36 GMT -5
I think he can still hit .300 / 200 hits too.
But I doubt he will be able to do so in 6 years. 3 years is the most they should go, and that's very fair.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Nov 4, 2010 19:23:49 GMT -5
If he wanted a 4th year I would make it some sort of performance vesting option from the 3rd year performance but I doubt that would fly with Jeter and the fact he would have some sort of vesting option would be seen as a slight probably not only by him but the public as well.....
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Post by 9 on Nov 4, 2010 19:46:50 GMT -5
They're going to overpay him the same way they overpaid Jorge and the same way I thought they overpaid Mo, although Mo was fantastic this year. It's the Yankee way.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 4, 2010 21:27:12 GMT -5
Mo has earned every penny, and had such a great year that it makes sense to sign him again at the same rate. Jeter though--earned his money, but his 2010 makes it seem like he's on the decline. He COULD rebound. But he needs to prove himself.
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Post by massyanksfan on Nov 8, 2010 14:43:48 GMT -5
The merchandising thing alone is a cash cow. I myself purchased 6 Jeter shirts this year alone. If you must ask, they were all infant and toddler shirts for my kids.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 8, 2010 14:58:59 GMT -5
It is a cash cow, but not enough that the guy deserves $20 million. Maybe give him a percentage of the cash sales of his shirts. That will net him money without being on salary and it won't count toward the luxury tax.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Nov 8, 2010 16:13:03 GMT -5
i doubt the union would go for that. but good one
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 8, 2010 16:28:10 GMT -5
I don't know if the union would have a choice--it's not much different than an endorsement deal
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Post by Jason Giambi on Nov 8, 2010 22:28:13 GMT -5
the difference is the MLB logo'd items. I don't think they'd let it slide. Gatorade is one thing, Yankee Jerseys are another.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 9, 2010 6:58:09 GMT -5
The union gets their piece as well.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Nov 9, 2010 8:49:57 GMT -5
The problem they'd have with it, is that the Ryan Howards and Jeter's of the world would keep a lot more money than the Brett Gardners and Bobby Meacham's.... It would erode the union power base. They can't have that. MLBPA is probably one of the strongest unions in the world.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 9, 2010 8:52:36 GMT -5
Not every player would get a deal like that. The Ryan Howards and Derek Jeters SHOULD keep more money. They are better players.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 9, 2010 13:38:11 GMT -5
The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of bringing back Hideki Matsui. He would be relatively cheap. His numbers were good last year. Matsui, Posada and Montero could combine for 1200 plate appearances at DH/C. Matsui would only require a 1 year deal, at likely less than $6 million. He could certainly do what Berkman did, and wouldn't kill ARod in batting practice. Not to mention, he's a proven success in NY, and a fan favorite, who hit .274 and hit over 20HR last season.
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Post by Chris on Nov 9, 2010 13:54:50 GMT -5
Look, Derek Jeter is an iconic figure that transcends what he does at the shortstop position.
As many have suggested, his financial value to the New York Yankees goes way beyond what he does on the field to help the team win.
Back up the Brinks truck and overpay him...who gives a rats ass. He's Derek Jeter.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 9, 2010 14:35:13 GMT -5
He's GOING to be overpaid, but he shouldn't get a 6 year deal and he SHOULD get a paycut.
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Post by jwmcc on Nov 9, 2010 14:38:29 GMT -5
Back up the Brinks truck and overpay him...who gives a rats ass. He's Derek Jeter.
Like the Yankees haven't done that already to the tune of 189 million over the past ten years?
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 9, 2010 14:41:32 GMT -5
The difference is that the expiring contract was for a guy who was in his prime and he EARNED it. This time around he's aging, and while his past performance was brilliant, he is not a $20 million player anymore--not even close.
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Post by 9 on Nov 9, 2010 20:56:25 GMT -5
Who did he blow to win the Gold Glove? They should discontinue that award. Frankly, they should have discontinued it when they gave it to Palmiero over Tino.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Nov 9, 2010 21:46:00 GMT -5
The union strengths are based on unity... not individual achievement. If they let players start making their own deals, the union would be dead.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 10, 2010 7:10:39 GMT -5
I still don't think this idea cuts into the union's power one bit. If anything, it opens the door to new sources of revenue.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Nov 12, 2010 15:35:39 GMT -5
Can't wait to see Montero behind the plate opening day!!!!!
Hi Tom!
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 13, 2010 0:33:15 GMT -5
Whys that, Cap? You looking to take in a baseball game and a vaudeville act at the same time?
As I figured, the rest of the baseball blogosphere, led by the scouting community, is either doubting the Yankees are serious, or laughing about the idea of what they have planned. I have seen more than one scout peg Montero as "the worst defensive catcher I have ever seen."
Basically, he is fit for one of 2 positions, 1B, and DH. And those are taken. Some believe the Yankees are making noise about handing him the job to get someone who is hot for his bat to make a play for him, and take him off the Yankees hands with a high return. Most, and I agree with them, dont see the triumverate of Montero, Cervelli (a waste) and Romine handling the dish for the Yankees and their bloated salaried pitching staff next year. Figure a John Buck type will be bought in as a stopgap until someone (probably Romine) is ready in a year or so.
Montero wont catch here. We best hope he doesnt. He is a shitshow. Forget passed balls, he apparently is sketchy at calling a game, and cant throw runners out at second. These are tangible things that can not be hidden. The Yankees can not afford to put that sort of carnival act behind the plate.
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