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Post by cactusjames on Mar 19, 2007 10:12:16 GMT -5
I just don't like Batista as a tweener. He's not booed as much as he should be. They need tp turn him full fledged heel in my mind. But without a doubt a really strong buildup for it.
That said, my pick for match of the night will be the MITB ladder match. 8 guys, all good athletes, crazy spot fest of a match. Hopefully the crowd won't be dead for the main events with Austin reffing one match, a spot fest ladder match another, then two world title matches. I also hope Benoit finds his way on the card defending the US Title.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 19, 2007 10:22:09 GMT -5
James the fact that you disagree with me only makes me happy.
But sadly, you do have one interesting point--depending on where they place the Lashley/Umaga match, it could affect the crowd. But I don't think we have a Hogan v. Rock here.
This match is more about the gimmick than the wrestlers, which is a shame given that it could be better if it was hyped up between those two.
But anyway, I doubt that match will kill the crowd.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 19, 2007 10:38:15 GMT -5
I also hope Benoit finds his way on the card defending the US Title.
He found his way on. A title defense was announced this past week on Smackdown, as Benoit will be defending against one of my favorites, the very capable "MVP."
MVP battled a guy he bought out, the masked Honduran Champion, El Grande Latte (which translated means something like "The Large Cup of Coffee." After battering him around, Benoit ran out and they brawled.
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 19, 2007 10:39:25 GMT -5
D'oh, I drew a blank on the Benoit thing, I had a feeling i was wrong. That could be a solid match too. Good for MVP getting a mania rub from Benoit.
I don't think one match will kill the crowd either, but as of now, the top 4 matches are the two title matches, the ladder match and umaga/lasahley. Frist off, Austin is ref, crowd will be hot for whatever he does. Secondly, Vince is getting shaved thata's going to be another monster pop. I'd stick the womens match right after this match.
Also the ladder match. Hardys are in it, as well as RKO. One of the most over guys on all 3 shows, CM Punk is in it. Then of course Booker, Finlay and Kennedy who gets sadly overlooked with the star power in this match. As I said, I think this is the showstealing match and if it is the crowd will be going nuts. I think you need to put Khali and Kane after this one.
All that leading up to two huge main event title matches. I don't see a Rock/Hogan match one there(thankfully no Hogan at all), but I do think givn those matches, the crowd coud be really fat by the time he 3rd hour comes along depending on how they book it.
As for disagreeing with you, it makes me me happy too cause I know I'm not a mark on the level that you are. It reminds me that I'm a purist at heart cause I like a 45 minute match with great story telling and great spots, as opposed to horrible gimmick match.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 19, 2007 11:36:55 GMT -5
You saying you're not a mark is funny given your feelings for HBK. But that aside, the Hart/Michaels 45 minute snoozefest did not tell a story except that two big egos didn't want to job.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 19, 2007 11:41:11 GMT -5
But someone DID job, you idiot. Hart was pinned. The fact that it came "after the 60 minutes" was a lead-in to a building heel turn. Dont you pay attention? Or do you lose interest once a match goes past the 5 minute mark?
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 19, 2007 11:57:07 GMT -5
After a full hour of "whoever wins the most pins," we get an minute overtime which of course rendered the one hour meaningless. Not a clean job.
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 19, 2007 15:44:31 GMT -5
Meaningless? Are you on crack? Do you understand the logic of telling a story in a match? It really is just about who wins and who loses isn't it? And how about this one, back in 1996 and not many people now would be able to go an hour and keep it interesting, they did. And btw, as long as there is no outside interference or weapons use, it's a clean win dummy.
And I never said I wasn't a mark, just not to your degree. I actually like watching good wrestling matches, give me Benoit and Finlay for 35 minutes and I'm happy, You have Boogeyman chasing around the Miz on tivo.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 19, 2007 15:48:32 GMT -5
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 19, 2007 15:56:02 GMT -5
Only 3 guys? That's a ripoff. Not even a main eventer. This always looks cool on tv but on paper sucks.
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Post by 4dogg on Mar 19, 2007 20:54:03 GMT -5
enough with these bull sh*t battle royals
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 26, 2007 21:58:43 GMT -5
WM will have to go to 4 1/2 hours if the runway to the ring is as long as the Silverdome in order to allow for the Undertaker's entrance...lol
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Post by sancho231 on Mar 27, 2007 13:54:59 GMT -5
how fucked up is it that Flair dosent have a spot on the card?
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 27, 2007 14:03:21 GMT -5
Eh, I would not be surprised if he gets on there in some fashion. I just wish in the last few weeks they had pulled the trigger on Carlito and Flair.
Hey, I like the "lumber-jill" stip in the womens match. From all accounts Ashley and Melina have been stinking up the joints in matches they are having around the horn, the added vista of the other hosebags out at ringside will add proper calamity to the proceedings.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 28, 2007 21:42:06 GMT -5
According to The Pro Wrestling Torch, WWE is planning on holding a Tag Team Battle Royal (or something like it) at WrestleMania 23 in Detroit before the PPV goes on the air. This is similar to what they did in Chicago last year for WrestleMania 22. The match, which will likely be a DVD "extra", is expected to feature Johnny Nitro, Ric Flair, Carlito, Paul London, Brian Kendrick and others.
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Post by grover on Mar 28, 2007 23:57:10 GMT -5
Yeah, because they want to show the audience their shambles of a tag division off the air. LOL!!
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Post by sancho231 on Mar 29, 2007 1:30:43 GMT -5
ehh i bet they just wanna get those unused guys a payday, lest Steph get assulted again
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 29, 2007 7:53:46 GMT -5
That Steph story was pretty much quashed. Seems to be nothing more than yet another person using Wikipedia to have some fun. Official word coming out of Titan Tower is that Mercury was a 2nd time offender of the WWE's much maligned "Wellness Policy." After all the WWE did for him (including something like a 6 month stint in rehab cause he was a hardcore user of this and that) they were a bit perturbed he went right back to it.
I must admit, though, I am a bit grumbly about the tag team battle royal being used to coax more DVD buys, or as a treat to someone else. I mean, Christ, a few of us are the ones putting up FIFTY FRIGGIN' DOLLARS for this. Let us see this stuff.
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Post by grover on Mar 29, 2007 8:11:49 GMT -5
Really. I'd like to see some sort of tag team system set up within the three brands. I mean, holy shit, they have three separate entities to spread talent out and they still can't work on ONE good division.
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Post by sancho231 on Mar 29, 2007 14:27:01 GMT -5
I think to have a solid Tag team Divison, theyd need to Unifiy the tag belts.montly defenses on PPV.then youd have a buch of teams Chasing the champs, isint thta whats its about? the persuit of the gold?
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 29, 2007 19:02:18 GMT -5
I agree but by unifying it, pretty much admits Vince and everyone else is putting little to no thought into a tag division as is. By making one division appear on both shows would be worse, cause to a casual viewer it would seem as if competition is stronger here instead of there. And while it may be true, or not true at all, by pubicly coming out and selling the idea one division is exempt from the guidlines as any other division can easily put a negative spin on said division.
Sorry if I made no sense at all.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 29, 2007 20:56:21 GMT -5
Might as well unify it if Vince is going to continually use the tag belts to just further feuds like Cena/Michaels..makes the championship secondary imo...Bring back Chief Jay Strongbow and Billy Whitewolf!!!!
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Post by sancho231 on Mar 29, 2007 21:13:06 GMT -5
Fuck it bring back the Midnight Express
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 29, 2007 22:15:39 GMT -5
Well as for Cena/HBK, part of the whole thing is how they will still be tag champs after the superkick last week/title match at mania. Part of what brings me to my illogical thinking of the week(of many i know):
A blind man can see how Cena will win sunday. The superkick gives away Cena will have some sort of revenge on his mind at Mania. Also, the ever present fact Cena is the future of WWE, the posterboy, the main sell, the mega star. Almost too easy to bet a million bucks on Cena winning.
My reasons why I'm against it(other than I'll mark out bigger for this than I will RVD over Cena at ECW): The main title picture needs a change. HBK can have a good title feud with Umaga, maybe either Edge or Orton depening on heir feud, maybe escalate it. Also, like I said before, the tag belts add a whole other dimension to the title situation. If HBK wins and they continue the feud till backlash or later, how will they co exist as champs?
Another factor is Batista and Taker. I know a few people, maybe just Tom, are pretty fair on Batista. i think he stinks. He should be mid card/semi main eventer in my mind. Horrible on the stick, sloppy in the ring. The mania hype is a big hint that management feel the same way. So I think Taker keeps the streak alive and gets the belt. I could see how they'd put Batista over, but I don't think it's time yet, so I'm more inclined to think there will be aHBK/Taker one on one, at Summerslam or Suvivor Series. I can see both having the belts even if neither strap is on the line when the match happens. It's bound to happen down the road, especially after the pop at the rumble and theres no better twist than pitting a champ vs champ angle on a great feud like Michaels and Taker.
Thirdly, Cena needs a change. Who better to carry the load for now than HBK with HHH out of th way? He can put some guys over by name value alone, and more importantly, win back over the (smart) marks that think they're cool by booing him. doing a job to Michaels at Mania might give him credibility.
Personally, even if it's for a month, I think it's better HBK wins at mania if not just to add a tiny bit of suprise to meaningful title matches. What are some other thoughts on the main events?
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Post by grover on Mar 30, 2007 0:15:01 GMT -5
HBK has had plenty of good title runs.
The belt needs to stay on the biggest guy in the company.
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Post by 4dogg on Mar 30, 2007 8:10:52 GMT -5
being that there will be 8 participants in the "money in the bank" ladder match,what are the rules? is it an elimanation match or just a free-for-all?
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 30, 2007 8:23:16 GMT -5
Money in the Bank is a free for all. James, where am I sucking off Batista? For one thing, no way he wins Sunday, and no way should it be considered even for a fraction of an inkling of a second. In the ring he blows chunks. I think his promo style is alright. I like low key and dangerous Batista. At times, he can show great intensity. And he has the look the fans hop all over, and they buy his act. So he is a key player in todays fed. As to Sunday, he should lose and beat down Taker afterwards, and just go full heel. Set up the Batista/Cena feud they have been building to forever now.
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 30, 2007 10:28:23 GMT -5
I never said sucking off, but you've defended him at times when I've said he stinks. That's all I was pointing out. You're less hard on him than someone like me or the internet fans.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 30, 2007 10:31:24 GMT -5
Really? I have? What did I say, exactly?
I never said much more than what I said above. His strengths are his intensity and his interview style. And his look. His weaknesses are in the ring.
Show me where I said otherwise.
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 30, 2007 11:35:58 GMT -5
lol exactly what you said above. I remember you said you thought he improved a lot from the past recently, I don't remember what the hell thread it was in but you said what you said above when I said he's horrible, and you made sure to say he's not as bad as I think by saying what you said above. so I don't have to check.
And what the fuck did I say so wrong, that you were fair on him? That's ALL I said, I mentioned you once. Oh horrors, what a fucking stretch saying you're pretty fair on him, unlike me and others. Sorry that bothers you so much. Didn't realize I'd hit a nerve by saying you're not hard on him.
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