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Post by ajfreakz on Aug 31, 2006 0:52:28 GMT -5
me and my girlfriends dad were talking at the game tonight about rules of the game and odd things that have happened.. and something we came up with stumped us.. we don't think it's possible but hear GOES... lets say a teams lineup in the 7th inning goes lefty,righty,lefty and the manager of the opposing team wants to start the inning with a lefty and then he brings in the righty to face the next batter but he replaces the 1st baseman with the lefty pitcher can he then bring the lefty pitcher back on the mound or is he done DONT REEM ME FOR THIS.. I DONT THINK YOU CAN BUT WE THOUGHT IT'S POSSIBLE ONLY BECAUSE HE NEVER LEFT THE FIELD OF PLAY..
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Post by 9 on Aug 31, 2006 1:14:16 GMT -5
I believe you can actually do that.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Aug 31, 2006 7:40:57 GMT -5
You can do that. I have read about it being done.
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Post by ajfreakz on Aug 31, 2006 8:39:00 GMT -5
good stuff then
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Post by MSBNYY on Aug 31, 2006 8:51:32 GMT -5
There would have to be a specific rule in the book saying you can't do that, and there isn't to my knowledge. I'm pretty sure I've seen that done before too.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Aug 31, 2006 9:21:06 GMT -5
I am surprised it is not done more often, quite frankly. I know the old adage "you cant hide a bad fielder" and the ball may very well find that pitcher you put out there, but I can see the advantages to it outweighing any potentiial risk.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Aug 31, 2006 10:27:09 GMT -5
I've heard it being done, although can't tell you when i heard it.
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Post by Chris on Aug 31, 2006 11:54:39 GMT -5
When Ron Guidry played centerfield way back...was that just for a goof, or was it similar case to this hypothetical question?
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Post by 9 on Aug 31, 2006 11:58:57 GMT -5
Actually, I think that was the replay of the last four outs of the pine tar game, so all he did was stand in center for one out in the top of the ninth, then the Yanks went down in order in the bottom of the ninth.
Which brings the question: Did Billy Martin put Guidry in center field to make the Royals think he'd pitch if the Yankees tied the game and sent it to extra innings, or was he just on scotch bottle No. 3?
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Post by MSBNYY on Aug 31, 2006 12:47:24 GMT -5
Guidry was in centerfield because of the pinetar game. Jerry Mumphrey, who was the CFer when the game was originally played, was traded in the interim.
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Post by 9 on Aug 31, 2006 12:51:08 GMT -5
Why you gots to TRADE a brotha?
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Post by Chris on Aug 31, 2006 12:59:19 GMT -5
You know what's funny...we all know Martin had a drinking problem, but I wonder...I just wonder HOW DRUNK Martin may have been in the dugout on his worst days? Like stumbling, passing out drunk? I wonder.
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Post by Chris on Aug 31, 2006 15:26:01 GMT -5
According to ESPN Radion, "David Wells has already cleaned out his locker." That's all they've said.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Aug 31, 2006 17:53:22 GMT -5
Martin put a joke alignment on the field cause he thought the whole situation was a joke. Thats fact. He was adding to the mockery of the day. He had other guys who could have stood out there in CF but chose to throw Guidry out there.
A lot of people sugarcoat how bad Martin was, but I read a book that was about both Billy and George and all I could say is Holy Crap. He was absolutely insane. And I just finished up Gossages book, and he has a good tale of Billy coming up to his room one night, banging on the door, wanting to fight the Goose for no particular reason.
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Post by MSBNYY on Aug 31, 2006 19:29:07 GMT -5
Maybe, but he was the coolest manager in our lifetimes. A drunk yes, but a baseball genius.
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Post by globix on Sept 1, 2006 0:51:20 GMT -5
I believe the Mets did that in the 80's. If I intrpret what you're describing correctly. I wanna say Orosco and Mcdowell were involved. could be wrong though. As my beer battered memory serves, the Mets brough in orosco to start an inning, then sent Jesse to RF, and brought in McDowel. When McD recorded an out, Jesse returned ti the mound, and McD left the game.
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Post by jwmcc on Sept 1, 2006 8:45:53 GMT -5
Globix, That was in '86, a game against the Reds at Cincy where Knight and a few others got tossed after a major brawl, then it went 14 innings, so Johnson was pretty much out of position players. So he kept switching both pitchers back and forth between the mound and the field. Jw
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 1, 2006 8:47:28 GMT -5
One interesting side question would be if there is a rule about warmup pitches when a manager does that.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 6, 2006 9:23:43 GMT -5
Through 138 games of the New York Yankees' 1927 season, Babe Ruth had 50 home runs. Through 138 games of the Yankees' 1961 season, Roger Maris had 53 homers. This year, at the same point in the Phillies' schedule, Ryan Howard also has 53.
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Post by 9 on Sept 6, 2006 11:13:10 GMT -5
His ballpark definitely helps him, but the guy is a flat-out monster and one of my favorite non-Yankees to watch play, along with his teammate, Utley.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Sept 6, 2006 20:52:26 GMT -5
Nice to know you Dmitri Young.... He was cut by the tigers today. Oh well.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 9, 2006 22:19:26 GMT -5
In 1996 after engaging in a beanball war with the Phils, Montreal's Pedro Martinez was thrown at by Mike Williams. Pitch went behind him. Martinez CHARGED THE MOUND (I had not realized he had ever done this, usually he is backpedaling off of it as guys charge him) - he pulled the old "throw my helmet at my foe" gag. Friggin' hard, too. It missed, then he and Williams actually exchanged a flurry of punches before everyone else got in there.
Saw this on a wrestling comp tape I made in 96, didnt know it was on there.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 12, 2006 11:59:28 GMT -5
Marlin reliever Randy Messenger has a mock "heavyweight champion" belt hanging in his locker, given to him for giving starter Scott Olsen a black eye during a scuffle earlier in the season.
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Post by mac0822 on Sept 12, 2006 12:34:01 GMT -5
Didn't Fernando Valenz rotate back & forth from Pitcher to outfielder in the 80's? Seems like I remember it happening.
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Post by Chris on Sept 12, 2006 15:54:21 GMT -5
I didn't ever want to partake in the running back and forth between boards, tattling on what someone may have said on the other board, but....
Mac, just posted that Jason Varitek is a better hitter than Thurman Munson was. Way to research the career averages, Macko!
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Post by 9 on Sept 13, 2006 11:37:27 GMT -5
In the "You learn something new every day" department, I had never heard the rule that's apparently keeping Jeter's hitting streak alive. His streak is still valid because he had no official at-bats yesterday, but he did have four plate appearances (three walks and a hit-by-pitch). I thought (incorrectly) that once you have a plate appearance -- not an at-bat -- the streak is in play.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 13, 2006 12:04:44 GMT -5
I'm with you on that. And I think the rule as is, is a bad one. The streak should be over. If you play, and don't get a hit, fuck you. If the other team wants to be pricks and walk you, tough shit.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 13, 2006 12:05:50 GMT -5
It should be. The streak should be over.
I guess this stops teams from walking or hitting you 4 times to screw with you and break your streak, but hey, a game was played, and he had plate appearances. You could sit out the game, pinch-hit in the 9th and strike out, and the streak is over. So it can end in that one appearance, but not end with 4 plate appearances without an out? Get the F out here with that.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 13, 2006 12:10:40 GMT -5
It's amazing that the rule is so widely not known. Even Torre didn't realize it, and actually APOLOGIZED to Jeter for removing him from the game with the streak on the line.
This rule bucks common sense.
It's not a consecutive GAME streak. Therefore, if you legally play in the GAME, that's it. If you get a game played, and don't get a hit, no matter what, that should be it.
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Post by 9 on Sept 13, 2006 12:13:19 GMT -5
How funny will all the hollering about last night's game be if Jeter actually gets anywhere near the record?
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