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Post by mac0822 on Oct 29, 2007 12:55:01 GMT -5
World Titles are the norm for the Sox. This thread is for the real drama...The offseason.
Will they resign Lowell? If he wants 4-5 years - seeya.
Will they make a run at ARod? THEY BETTER NOT
I assume Crisp will be traded to free up CF for Ellsbury?
Will Schilling be resigned? I doubt it unless he takes a one year deal.
Will Papelbon be a starter? Could Okajima close? I would explore this.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Oct 29, 2007 14:08:37 GMT -5
I think they will resign Lowell and it will be in the 4 year 30-35M range.....I agree Crisp is gone....I also agree that Schilling will be gone (maybe back to the Phillies)....Okajima a closer..I'd be careful there as the league will adjust to that motion sooner or later.......
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Post by mac0822 on Oct 30, 2007 7:44:41 GMT -5
One of GayRods supposed future teams - the Tigers - got their SS yesterday. I'll say it again - this faggot better not be in Boston next year.
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 30, 2007 7:52:13 GMT -5
ARod is the most selfish player in the game, and for him it's all about ego and money. But you really wouldn't want ARod/Ortiz/Manny back to back to back?
You do realize that the second ARod would put on the uniform, he would suddenly be Mr. October.
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Post by mac0822 on Oct 30, 2007 8:32:24 GMT -5
Do I want him? NO
Would I learn to accept him? Probably.
The idea of those three would be scary, but I've seen lineups like that (NY) & they never seem to work come the postseason.
If he came, I'd want him at SS, but they have that joke contract on Lugo for 3 more years, so that doesn't appear to be an option.
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Post by grover on Oct 30, 2007 8:35:36 GMT -5
We learned to accept him and look what we got each postseason. LOL
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 30, 2007 8:43:08 GMT -5
I'm not even 100 percent sure HE wants to return to SS. I think if you guys got ARod, he would be accepted VERY quickly.
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Post by mac0822 on Oct 30, 2007 8:43:25 GMT -5
Grover..I must give you props. That fucking Hecklehouse/MSB thing is fucking hilarious. I fucking love the Red Sox outfit.
Back to ARod. If he really wants to win, he'd "settle" for a 7/140 from the Sox if they offered it. BUT I see him simply taking the most $ no matter who offers it & then bitching 3 years into it that they "aren't putting a competitive team on the field."
I am still LOL at Boras saying "Alex isn't sold on what type of the Yanks will have". UMMMM.. EVERYONE knows the Yanks won't be a bad team EVER. Nice try fags.
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Post by mac0822 on Oct 30, 2007 8:45:22 GMT -5
I'm not even 100 percent sure HE wants to return to SS. I think if you guys got ARod, he would be accepted VERY quickly. Yes, from the pink hat crew. The old school fans don't want this fag here. Yes, he'd be sucked off for his 50+ bombs, but come the postseason, the pressure would be on again. I do agree with one thing. He probably would become Mr October in Boston. That's just the type of run they're on right now. Everything they touch turns to gold...unlike the last 80 years before this. |
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Post by IronHorse4 on Oct 30, 2007 8:47:16 GMT -5
Yeah, but everything A-Rod touches turns to shit. I wonder which force is more powerful. It's like steroid strength vs. retard strength. Quite a battle.
Then again, Benoit answered that question, I guess.
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 30, 2007 8:50:22 GMT -5
Mac-- do you really think ARod is about winning? He's about all the money he can make. He's looking for 10 years, $300 million. If he settled for 7 years, $140 million, that would send shockwaves throughout baseball.
ARod wants to squeeze every penny out of whatever owner grabs him. What would be great is if something like the 7 years $140 million is the best offer on the table.
Don't bet on the Yanks never having a bad team. Sometimes, there's only so much you can do.
This year's free agent crop isn't as strong as previous years. If they are going to get better, they are going to need to make trades, and they have a lot of untradeable guys on the MLB roster.
Buying a championship worked well for Boston this year, but while the dollars are there for the Yankees, the talent isn't.
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Post by IronHorse4 on Oct 30, 2007 8:52:31 GMT -5
Buying a championship worked well all over Boston. If the Bruins would get with the program, Boston would be the best sports city going. Though, to be fair, they are already.
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Post by mac0822 on Oct 30, 2007 8:56:01 GMT -5
Obviously AROd is not about winning. Thus his signing with the Rangers & his opting out from NY. I'm sorry, but if I'm a ballplayer & I could only go to one team & all I wanted was to win - I'd go to NY. He CHOSE to leave NY. That tells me all I need to know.
I just tossed out the 7/140 thing randomly. Say he'd take an 8/175, I'd be "ok" with the Sox getting him, but a fucking 10/300 is a fucking joke.
Keep saying they bought it if it makes you feel better. The laughable thing is that the Yankees spent over $60 million more & sucked shit. That's 2 more Arods.
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Post by IronHorse4 on Oct 30, 2007 9:00:18 GMT -5
I can't speak for Balls, but when I say they bought it, I'm not saying it derogatorily. I don't have a problem with how the Red Sox built their team. Nothing wrong with it.
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 30, 2007 9:02:16 GMT -5
He walked away from 3/81. Can you believe those numbers? 8/175 would mean basically, he signed a 5 year extension for $94 million. But obviously, he wouldn't get that $81 million in the first three years, so he'd be losing all that interest and taking a paycut.
Amazing the numbers.
First, the Yankees did not suck shit. They beat Boston in the season series, and only finished 2 games behind them. And again, when you factor in the Matsuzaka money, the difference is only about $20 million. That's one paperweight named Giambi.
You can't say the Sox didn't buy the championship. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but it's what happened.
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Post by mac0822 on Oct 30, 2007 9:06:10 GMT -5
MSB..I realize ARod would not take that offer, but that's the type of offer they should come in with. If he shows he's still a cunt, move on. I mean - how much $ can one person have? You'd think he'd want to play where he wants (wherever that is), so he's comfortable. Shit, go play for the Marlins - he's a Miami boy.
The Yankees are a decent regular season team, but they had no shot in the postseason. All 3 AL teams would have beat them in a short or long series. For $200 they got no pitching or bullpen & their hitters choke. WOW..great job.
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 30, 2007 9:27:31 GMT -5
Given the current state of salaries in baseball, the numbers you are bringing up are good. Best offensive player in baseball, Octobers notwithstanding. He's still in his prime. And I'm pretty sure your 8/175 number would have him average the highest in baseball--still. Every team should take a similar stance with ARod. "You're a great player, but you are pricing yourself too high. Good luck."
And you are right about one thing--how much money can one person have? The saying goes, "how much can you eat," and the kind of money ARod makes could satisfy even some of the lardos in the bleachers.
Strangely enough, the Marlins were mentioned in one of the papers as a possible longshot pursuer.
As for the Yankees, it wasn't so much the pitching that did them in. It was the offense not producing. The difference between the Yankees and Indians was clutch hitting. The Indians had it, the Yankees did not.
But the Yankees obviously need to improve in pitching too.
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Post by mac0822 on Oct 30, 2007 9:39:48 GMT -5
A teams clutch hitting is linked to their opponents pitching as well. Ever notice that when runners are on, the great pitchers become even nastier?
To me - it's pretty simple. Without a stud like Beckett, the Sox & their clutch hitting don't make it out of the ALCS.
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 30, 2007 9:45:43 GMT -5
Yeah, but the Sox also never scored less than 7 runs in the final three games. The last 2 games saw the Sox score 11 and 12 runs. It's hard to lose with that kind of production.
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Post by kingdzbws on Oct 30, 2007 10:39:45 GMT -5
Two things;
Marc, the Tribe had one thing (well maybe more than one) the Yankees didn't have. Their pitchers rose to the level of the games and shut down the Yanks hitting. I believe good, strong pitching beats good hitting on most days, especially in October.
So while the Yanks offense was snoozing, credit must be given to the Indian pitchers who sang our guys to sleep with a pitching lullabye.
I am of the mind that I'd rather have a stud on the mound, than in the batter's box. An Arod get 4 chances a game to win it, while a Beckett, or Rocket, or Sabathia can affect each and every play.
Second;
It may be HARD to lose with that potent an offense, yet the Yankees managed to do so against some of the toughest pitching opponenents in the league.
Once the soft underbelly of the Yankees (middle relief) was bitten ino, it was all over
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 30, 2007 11:22:17 GMT -5
I will agree that the Indians' pitchers rose up. Carmona pitched possibly the best game of his career. And Wang shit the bed. And I agree that it's more important to have pitchers kick ass than hitters.
But that doesn't mean hitting is nothing. The Indians killed us with 2 outs. We did jackshit with 2 outs.
As for the Yankees offense, they never lost a slugfest. In order to do that, you actually have to slug.
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Post by kingdzbws on Oct 30, 2007 11:24:27 GMT -5
Agreed.
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Post by grover on Oct 30, 2007 12:05:49 GMT -5
Actually, the thing that put Boston over the top this year, more than Beckett, was the pen. It's not even close actually. Beckett is only one guy, but if guys like Okajima, Lopez, and Timlin didn't come in to cut things off before they got out of hand, the Sox would have gotten duffed early. If Schilling or Matuzaka got into trouble, Okajima came in and as rock fucking solid. And we don't even have to bring up what Papelbon meant to them.
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Post by mac0822 on Oct 31, 2007 7:47:54 GMT -5
"Damon is changing Diapers...this is better"
LMFAO
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Post by IronHorse4 on Oct 31, 2007 8:53:07 GMT -5
From ESPN.com:
"There are a million little things that go into this from stadiums to school districts to travel to spring training to etc. etc. etc.," Schilling wrote, "but the list represents the teams after Boston that have some of the off the field things that are big to us, plus the potential to go into October next year."
The list includes 2007 playoff teams Cleveland, the Los Angeles Angels, Philadelphia, Arizona and Chicago, plus 2006 World Series teams Detroit and St. Louis, the New York Mets, Atlanta, the Los Angeles Dodgers, San Diego and Milwaukee.
I guess the Mets have good school districts, but the Yankees don't. Scum.
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 31, 2007 8:57:28 GMT -5
Yeah, and the Dodgers are in such a good neighborhood.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Oct 31, 2007 9:03:44 GMT -5
I don't think he plans on living where the stadium is.
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Post by mac0822 on Oct 31, 2007 9:51:27 GMT -5
Schilling just needs to shut his trap.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Oct 31, 2007 10:59:41 GMT -5
Schilling just needs to shut his trap
Like that will ever happen.......
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Post by kingdzbws on Oct 31, 2007 12:07:55 GMT -5
Mac, is this your way of thanking Schill for helping the Bosox get their first 2 World Series' in 90 years?
BTW: I just read that Rocket wants to play another season in BOSTON
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