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Post by thecaptain15 on Nov 26, 2007 11:14:55 GMT -5
Phil Hughes will be Ted Lilly - AT BEST
I guess that makes Hughes a $10m a year pitcher.....LOL
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 26, 2007 11:15:54 GMT -5
OK, folks, here is your rumored (and likely deal, if my 'source' is to be believed)
Santana to the Yankees for Melky, Hughes, and Austin Jackson.
I do the deal 100 times out of 100.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 26, 2007 11:17:25 GMT -5
And you would be giving up a future top level pitcher, and leave the team with the worst defensive OF in baseball. You probably cost the team $175 million over 8 years, not to mention forcing them to look at Rowand to get a CF with some range.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 26, 2007 11:19:50 GMT -5
Bring it on.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Nov 26, 2007 11:30:29 GMT -5
Tom as much as I like Hughes..you have to do that deal at the drop of the hat.........I would entertain any deal that does not contain Joba or Cano......
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Post by massyanksfan on Nov 26, 2007 11:36:27 GMT -5
If that deal DOES happen, we may be able to re-sign Melkey the way that we resigned Drew Henson a few years back
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Post by mac0822 on Nov 26, 2007 11:40:01 GMT -5
If that's all it takes, I'd give Lester, Crisp & Moss & get it done. I don't think Hughes will be that good. Neither will Lester.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Nov 26, 2007 11:42:14 GMT -5
Tom reveal your sources!!!!!!! LOL
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 26, 2007 11:56:07 GMT -5
Well, my source is saying Peter Gammons is reporting the same thing, but I have not looked for that blurb as of yet.
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Post by grover on Nov 26, 2007 12:02:15 GMT -5
I'd do that deal in a second, because I'm sure it won't be enough, and I'm sure Boston and the Dodgers can top that. Dodgers probably won't, because they can take those guys and grab Cabrera who they need more.
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Post by kingdzbws on Nov 26, 2007 12:06:26 GMT -5
DO IT. Where do we sign? HUGHES - "future top level pitcher" - Sorry. NO evidence that he will be anything in a few years but older.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Nov 26, 2007 12:06:45 GMT -5
I don't see anything on ESPN.com or News yet..
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 26, 2007 12:07:15 GMT -5
No one said it was IMMINENT. Its what is being worked on right now, apparently.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Nov 26, 2007 12:11:13 GMT -5
Oh I hear you , I meant mentioned as far as a published rumor........
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Post by Chris on Nov 26, 2007 12:16:22 GMT -5
I do that deal. I know I was vehemently opposed to a Santana trade before, but that was when the deal included some permutation of 2 or 3 from Joba, Hughes, Melky, and Cano. Anyway, I think Joba, Kennedy and Cano are harder to replace than Melky (who I like a great deal) and Hughes.
I can do without Hughes considering that Chamberlain and Kennedy still keep 40% of the rotation in their pre-prime years, and now the best pitcher in baseball, along with Pettitte and Mussina.
The outfield is significantly downgraded by this trade, however, even with Melky, regardless if it's Damon, abreau, or Matsui, you still have 2/3 of your OF as sub-par fielders (despite abreau's arm). I do this deal anyway.
However, from what I've heard, now that Hunter is gone Santana is infinitely more retainable for the Twins. But the real question is would Santana re-sign with the Twinkies. Apparently he was not at all enthusiastic about some of the Twins personnel moves as of late.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 26, 2007 12:25:44 GMT -5
I also posted a few days ago about how Santana and the Twins differ in the number of years wanted for each side to stay around contractually.
I could care less about Melky leaving, he does nothing for me on the field. Hughes is what he is, a top-notch prospect who may be fading a bit. There is serious concern that he will never be able to master a 3rd pitch, which will keep him as an also-ran. As to Jackson, he is years away, but considered the best athlete in the Yankees system, and some talk about him as a hidden gem who may be a superstar someday. Key words - someday, and may be.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Nov 26, 2007 12:28:22 GMT -5
I agree..Melky is defintely replaceable....If Hughes tops out the best he could be what Santana is "best in the game" (and that's a hugh IF)....Don't know as much about Jackson. I say if the deal can be done without Chamberlin or Cano, you do it.....
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Post by Chris on Nov 26, 2007 12:29:24 GMT -5
Even if Jackson IS a future superstar...there's no shame in trading a guy who has high potential for a 2-time Cy Young award winner.
This is similar to the Randy Johnson deal, and that paid immediate dividends in the way of 34 wins in two years.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 26, 2007 12:29:56 GMT -5
They would be forced to sign Rowand, or some solid defensive OFer that won't suck ass at the plate.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Nov 26, 2007 12:30:47 GMT -5
Rowand would be an upgrade over Melky anyways..imo
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Post by Chris on Nov 26, 2007 12:31:09 GMT -5
"I say if the deal can be done without Chamberlain or Cano, you do it..... "
Agreed. Where do we sign?
BTW - John Heyman is still saying that Santana is the Yankees centerpiece addition for this off-season and has been a priority for them since the day the season ended, and that has not wained.
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Post by grover on Nov 26, 2007 12:31:18 GMT -5
I'd do that in a second, and bring Rowand in. Santana, Joba, Kennedy, Wang, Mussina? Sounds good to me.
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Post by Chris on Nov 26, 2007 12:34:43 GMT -5
"They would be forced to sign Rowand, or some solid defensive OFer that won't suck ass at the plate."
In case you didn't notice, Melky is a career .275 hitter. Also, in case you didn't notice, Rowand has an 11 point higher career average.
Wait, are you going to reverse-Giambi this thing and tell us how Melky is somehow really a .300+ hitter? Your agenda is to keep Hughes and you're just using Melky as a pawn in that agenda. You couldn't possibly care more about keeping Melky than adding Santana.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 26, 2007 12:34:56 GMT -5
Without a guy like Rowand signed on top, then the Yankees OF will be terrible. And that will certainly affect the pitching. You need an OF with range.
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Post by Chris on Nov 26, 2007 12:39:23 GMT -5
Before Melky and Abreu (and I'm ONLY giving abreau credit for his arm...because he is, since Reggie, the laziest RF I've seen in pinstripes) "we" still managed to win a division or two, and our outfield has never been composed of the greatest range and best arms in the league.
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Post by Chris on Nov 26, 2007 12:40:53 GMT -5
OK, something weird is going on...I've attempted to modify that last post to spell abreau correctly three times and it just wont take.
And this one just automatically changed my all-caps correct spelling of A__B__R__E__U___to abreau
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Post by grover on Nov 26, 2007 12:42:13 GMT -5
Well, then sign Rowand, or someone else. I'm sure he'll hold out if he knows there's a possibility that the Yankees will be calling.
Balls is the only person on the planet conjuring up a doomsday scenario if a team gets the best pitcher in Baseball.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 26, 2007 13:15:53 GMT -5
There has never been a Yankee OF with worse range than the combo of Abreu, Damon and Matsui--especially now that they are another year older. You need someone young with a good arm and good range to make up for the limitations of the others.
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Post by kingdzbws on Nov 26, 2007 13:19:35 GMT -5
Yeah, Rowland
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 26, 2007 13:21:36 GMT -5
That's a big if.
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