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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 9, 2007 15:12:16 GMT -5
Nah, they are beating a dead horse into the ground is what they are doing.
Ohlendorf sounds like Orndorff. We get it already.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 9, 2007 15:19:14 GMT -5
And I stand by that being the reason I wanted the Yankees to choose him in the Johnson deal.
Speaking of Johnson, I wonder how his bad back is doing.
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Post by 9 on Mar 11, 2007 19:38:02 GMT -5
From Bronx Banter, a decent Yankee blog a friend of mine just told me about ( bronxbanter.baseballtoaster.com): Phil Hughes had his second rough outing in three spring appearances, this being the by far the worse of the two. Starting off the sixth inning, his stuff looked fantastic--mid-90s heat and a devastating nose-to-toes curve that came in as slow as 70 miles per hour--and he went right after his first two batters, Travis Hafner and Victor Martinez. Hafner grounded out meekly, but Martinez battled him, eventually singling the opposite way. That seemed to rattle Hughes, who quickly lost that laser-like command that is his calling card. He walked the next batter on four pitches, then gave up an RBI double, a sac fly, threw a wild pitch in the dirt, and issued a five-pitch walk before finally getting out of the inning on a groundout. In the seventh he was greeted by a ringing triple by Hector Luna. His next pitch was in the dirt and Luna was plated on a hard liner to right that Melky Cabrera snagged for a sac fly. Hughes then walked Hafner after going full and gave up another hard single to Martinez before yielding to T.J. Beam. |
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 11, 2007 22:00:46 GMT -5
That seemed to rattle Hughes
I am seeing these words too often.
Hughes is developing a rep as a guy who is easily shaken off of his game.
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Post by globix on Mar 11, 2007 23:34:01 GMT -5
Probably becasue pitching in trouble is a new thing for him.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 12, 2007 6:11:04 GMT -5
Because a blogger is really someone whose opinion matters. What I've read in the newspapers is the exact opposite. In case people haven't noticed, Matsuzaka gave up 2 HRs to two nonroster players. Are the Sox ready to panic?
Again, I realize there are people who have nothing better to do than create havoc where none is, but a 20 year old who has never pitched above AA may struggle against MLB hitting.
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Post by 9 on Mar 12, 2007 6:57:38 GMT -5
I wasn't suggesting that the blog was the bible, I just thought it was interesting.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 12, 2007 7:25:31 GMT -5
Bottom line is this--you can't learn to pitch through adversity unless you face it. He is going to be in AAA for a reason. Derek Jeter came up to the bigs for a cup of coffee in 1995. He hit .250 in 15 games (48 at bats).
Same year, a guy named Mariano Rivera came up--as a starter, and wasn't very good, with an ERA of 5.51 in 67 innings.
Bernie hit .238 in 320 at bats in his first year.
Roger Clemens hit the bigs with an ERA of 4.32 over 133 innings his first year.
Phil Hughes will not win the Cy Young in his first season. We don't need to scrutinize every pitch the guy throws.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 12, 2007 7:33:42 GMT -5
Well, then when he does well as he has in spurts, people dont need to start shooting sperm with glee over it either. The guy is what he is, someone on a chintzy pitch count who seems to get flustered too damn easily for someone earmarked to lead a staff in New York of all cities one day.
Funny how you nitpick a bloggers opinion, yet this board is full of page after page of your dumb ones.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 12, 2007 7:36:35 GMT -5
In spring training, when the guy does good in spurts, you're right. People who go apeshit over his good starts in spring training are just as bad as those panicking when he does bad.
There is absolutely no evidence that he gets flustered, other than the opinion of a blogger who is no more important that you. According to reports of people who actually scout, the man is very laid back and likes pressure situations.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 12, 2007 8:03:00 GMT -5
LOL! You're WRONG!
There are a number of instances where he has gotten flustered, and worse yet, has ADMITTED IT. The biggest example was the Futures Game, where had one of the worst pitching lines ever seen in the game, and admitted later on that he was shaking on the mound. He was completely taken off of his game, and it was disgusting to watch. People STILL laugh about it on threads devoted to Hughes on Baseball America's chats.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 12, 2007 8:10:21 GMT -5
For you, the Futures Game means something. He wasn't barely two months into AA ball at the time. For me, it's nothing more than an exhibition game. Maybe at some point you will get that the guy is 20 years old and not Roger Clemens yet. No one is concerned about him, for good reason. There is nothing to be worried about.
Wait until he has 100 innings under his belt in AAA before you panic. Last year, he struggled in his first 5 AA starts
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Post by Jason Giambi on Mar 15, 2007 7:19:23 GMT -5
went to the game last night. Karstens started and looked pretty good. Granted all of the starters from the Twins weren't there, but he was effective with the pitch count.
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 15, 2007 7:28:07 GMT -5
Good to see. Hughes and Mr. Wonderful Ross Ohlendorf were sent down as expected. Let them get their work in the minor league camp.
My biggest disappointment on the prospect front was Humberto Sanchez and his injury. Not a major issue, but hopefully it can be worked out.
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 19, 2007 7:45:35 GMT -5
Phil Hughes was dominant last night, throwing 6 shutout innings of 2 hit and 10K ball. No runner reached second base.
No one walked.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 19, 2007 8:00:31 GMT -5
Thats nice, but there are 10 performances a night like that throughout the minor leagues. Get back at me when he does things like that consistently, which he has not managed yet. Oh, and 6 innings means 3 innings of using an overworked bullpen, thats just great! Has this guy pitched into the 7th inning once in his pro career yet?
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 19, 2007 8:13:52 GMT -5
There were not 10 performances like that in the minors last night. The performance made the front page of minorleaguebaseball.com. And I agree, he needs to do that consistently. It's his 3rd game in AAA and first where it wasn't in the 30s. 175 innings is the goal for this season, and he's on pace to do that.
It's almost as if you don't want him to succeed.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 19, 2007 8:18:38 GMT -5
I do want him to succeed. I was touting him the morning he was drafted, you dope. But until he starts airing it out, and stops being treated like the biggest baby in the minor leagues, he has to rebuild my respect. I dont want a five-inning wonder, I want a horse who can come in and dominate. I want someone worthy of his press clippings. And, with his arm woes early in his pro career and his coddling afterwards, I am not sold on him like I was.
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 19, 2007 8:23:41 GMT -5
You touted him when he was drafted, but the closer he gets to the Bronx, the more you badmouth him. The old anti-Yankee bias coming through.
I understand the complaint about the babying though. But patience is the key. They don't want a Liriano situation, ESPECIALLY in light of his earlier issues. He made it through last season unscathed.
He pitched 150 innings for the first time last year. This year, he's on schedule for 175 innings. That's only 5 innings per start, but it's more than he had ever done before.
If all goes well, he should be pitching 200 innings in the Bronx in 2008.
They're just pacing him.
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Post by jwmcc on Apr 19, 2007 9:20:39 GMT -5
LOL @ just pacing him, you failed to mention that he was taken out after a terrible, labourous workload of...83 pitches.
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 19, 2007 9:23:18 GMT -5
Again, 175 innings. Like it or not, there is no evidence that they are doing anything more than babying him.
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Post by 9 on Apr 19, 2007 10:54:50 GMT -5
They took him out because it was cold outside. Because, you know, it's never cold in October.  |
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 19, 2007 11:35:27 GMT -5
Well, if you make a sign, then you know it's a bad move. It's rarely this cold in October. |
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Post by 9 on Apr 19, 2007 12:33:24 GMT -5
I just want to see them let Hughes throw some more pitches and some more innings. I'm not suggesting 130 pitches and a complete game, but a little over 100 and letting him go seven would inspire a little more confidence.
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 19, 2007 12:42:44 GMT -5
Maybe they're waiting for warmer weather. They're being extremely careful, and I understand the concern, but until I see an injury, I'm not worried.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Apr 19, 2007 19:51:55 GMT -5
Felix Hernandez...
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 20, 2007 11:29:06 GMT -5
Well, another top Yankee prospect is out for the season. Humberto Sanchez, the key guy we got for Sheffield, just had Tommy John surgery. He joins Christian Garcia on the out for the season list. I'd be surprised to see either of those guys in the majors before late 2009/2010.
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 21, 2007 12:05:39 GMT -5
I've been following Scranton's box scores lately. I don't think you need to be too concerned about Hughes' health. They seem to be babying ALL of the pitchers. Yeah, Hughes threw 83 pitches in his last start. The most pitches I've seen thrown from a starter since then is 92.
I don't know why they seem to be doing this, but it seems system wide.
The good news is that Hughes doesn't seem injured.
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Post by ajfreakz on Apr 21, 2007 12:15:57 GMT -5
ok Joe does the samething to our starters Whats the difference..
its def. an going to be an issue if we dont stop babying starters.. they get paid a helluva lot
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 21, 2007 12:59:56 GMT -5
I have no concerns about Sanchez, nor do the Yankees, apparently. Cashman flat out admitted he knew this sort of surgery was likely for Sanchez, but he wanted him included in the deal anyway. Why? High window of opportunity. Sanchez has the goods. In a year or so he will be a healthy 24 year old. He was bought in for tomorrow, not today. From what I know of him and have seen of him (I have seen him pitch a couple of times, through Futures Games and the like) I am glad to have him.
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