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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 10, 2007 9:42:25 GMT -5
We have our first trade of the year and it's a BLOCKBUSTER.
Milton and Larry have made a hell of a swap!
Larry gets:
Vernon Wells
Jeff Francoeur
Paul Konerko
Milton gets:
Carlos Delgado
Gary Matthews Jr.
Bobby Abreu
There is a 2 day waiting period, barring protests.
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Post by elliejay21 on Apr 10, 2007 9:58:57 GMT -5
Is there ANY point this this trade besides Milton getting a Yankee hitter?
I'm not protesting or anything, but why swap 3 guys of this calibur, especially this early in the season?
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 10, 2007 10:02:29 GMT -5
This is really weird. I spelled Abraeu correctly. The computer changed it automatically to the wrong spelling. I modified to correct it. It didn't take.
To prove my point. A B R E U.
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 10, 2007 10:07:38 GMT -5
And protest #1 is in!
1. I am going to Veto this trade . I think it helps Larry's team more .
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Post by IronHorse4 on Apr 10, 2007 10:28:19 GMT -5
This was exactly my thinking, on both points.
The edge goes to Larry here, just because Gary Matthews, Jr., in my estimation, isn't anywhere NEAR the caliber of Vernon Wells. But I think Abreu is better than Francoeur, and Delgado and Konerko might be a wash, though Delgado has to get the early edge because of the lineup he's in. Problem is, all of this is speculation based on how they did last year and SHOULD do (or MIGHT do) this year. Way too early to make a blockbuster move like this.
But you know what...this might be as even a trade (for a big trade) as we've ever had in this league. In any event, to protest it is pretty ridiculous and unfair.
Another interesting point is that Milton is trading his 3rd, 6th, and 11th picks for Larry's 3rd, 7th, and 15TH (!) picks. So that is curious as well. But overall it's a fairly even trade based on last year.
I just don't know why you would do that now. I love trade-happy people, though.
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 12, 2007 15:47:03 GMT -5
I don't know how many trades there will be this year, but I figure it might be cool once a trade goes through to analyze it. I wouldn't do this during the review process for obvious reasons. Since I'm the one who is the least concerned on who actually wins the league, I'll try to determine if the trade was a good one.
Anyway, looking at this trade:
At best, I'll have to use 2006 stats as a guideline. Like the preseason stuff, I'm assuming hitters will have similar years as last year. Hitters are usually more consistent year to year than pitchers, so it's not a major stretch.
Part of looking at a trade is looking at the specific teams getting the players. It's not just who is being traded, but who else Milton and Larry have on their teams. What happens when these guys join their rosters? Does it affect people other than those traded? In this case, it absolutely does. Both Milton and Larry will be using other players to affect some of the gaps by those they are giving up.
That's why this trade made sense for both teams.
The big risk in this trade is Gary Matthews Jr. Matthews needs to put up similar numbers as last year or Milton is really going to be relying on the other players he got from Larry to do that much better. A healthy Abreu could give Milton an extra 100 points over Drew. If Matthews and Wells have similar years then Milton is only giving up about 40 points at CF. That leaves Delgado v. Sexson. Giving up Konerko weakens Milton's bench a bit, but Delgado should put up 30-40 more points than Sexson based on last year.
So Milton's lineup, assuming all works out and Matthews doesn't tank, just got 100 points better over the course of the season.
Dye on Larry's bench is the reason this trade works for him. If Dye stays healthy, and puts up numbers like last year, he will wash with Abreu. Larry might have been better off trying to convince Milton to take Dye instead, but that's only because Dye tends to be a bigger health risk. But it's not that big of a deal at all for Larry if Dye puts up those numbers.
Konerko also is a wash with Delgado, assuming same numbers. But the key for Larry is Vernon Wells. In him, Larry gets a guy who is going to outproduce a career year Matthews by 50 points, but more important, he's stable. Unlike Matthews who has steroid issues and is coming off a career contract year, Wells IS this good. Larry's team may not improve as much as Milton's, but his team was also better from the start. But most important, his team improved.
So overall, if projections hold, Larry's team improves by about 50 points, and Milton's by about 100.
I don't give either man a major advantage in this trade, but both teams improved enough that they may end up a place or two higher in the overall standings, and may end up taking a session or two.
Good job on the part of both.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 12, 2007 21:18:16 GMT -5
This trade was dumb.
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Post by grover on Apr 12, 2007 21:56:13 GMT -5
Wow, nice trade action going on already.
We need to revisit this trade at the end of the year, see how it worked out for both parties.
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 13, 2007 6:31:21 GMT -5
Definitely. But looking back also requires looking at some of the players not involved directly in the trade, like Jermaine Dye. If Abreu kicks Dye's ass, then Larry downgraded in RF and might have hurt himself.
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Post by Bad Mouth Larry on Apr 13, 2007 8:36:33 GMT -5
here is why this trade was a NO BRAINER for me and im stunned justin didnt read into it and see why i had to pull this deal off. i mean justin, we were talking about bill hall as i wanted a stronger centerfielder even on draft day.
during the draft, i took abreu in the 3rd round. then i took dye in the 7th round. talk about overkill in rf. i thought dye was the very best player avaialable in the 7th and couldnt pass him up even though my need was cf. cf was very thin by the 7th, hence why i didnt draft a cf until the 15th round.
now here is my dilemma. dye and abreu have to be starters on my team, they are that good. so dye is my dh. now my hands are tied at dh. with guys like perralta, adrian gonzalez and pierzynski just going to rot on my bench all season.
when i make this move with milton, i easily turn a potentail question mark in cf into a stud. i still have a stud in rf. and now my dh is open to many options including newly acquired francour as well as the other players mentioned. and 1b switch is probably a wash but personally i like konerko over delgado basically because ive had konerko before.
on the surface this trade appeared to be nothing more than moving similar players. trading pens for pencils as someone pointed out. but when you scratch the surface a little bit, i think it clearly demonstrates a lethal offense just got more lethal.
tom may think this trade were dumb. thats why he has never won shit in this league. he wouldnt know a good trade from a bad one if it jumped in his lap and stole his can of beer.
i dont know miltons take as honestly i couldnt care how it affected his roster. but it was equal talent for equal talent so i doubt he will be burned by this, as i doubt i will be either.
and last but not least, this trade lets smash-fuckin-mouth welcome back paul konerko with open arms. konerko has been on smash-fuckin-mouth since its inception and was a pivotal part of that magical 2005 run in which i basically ran the table on this league.
so everyone can lick my balls. im cleaning up this league this year. you watch.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 13, 2007 9:15:25 GMT -5
tom may think this trade were dumb. thats why he has never won shit in this league
2nd place in 2005, but by all means lets not cloud your details with the facts.
Yeah, you'll be cleaning up. You better, after almost getting relegated last year.
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Post by IronHorse4 on Apr 13, 2007 9:24:18 GMT -5
Larry, I agree with you making the deal. I gave you the edge in the deal from the onset, because of Vernon Wells. I guess I just didn't understand Milton's thinking, aside from just wanting to trade. But again, it was fairly even, and a pretty well-executed deal.
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Post by Bad Mouth Larry on Apr 13, 2007 9:37:14 GMT -5
i guess i was a little ticked about "the trade happy" people comment. thats not what this was about for me. i really feel i greatly improved with this move. now, if i can get some quality pitching.
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Post by Bad Mouth Larry on Apr 13, 2007 9:37:52 GMT -5
hey tj. last time i heard, 2nd place is for losers. who was in 1st that year you ended up in 2nd? oh yea, me. by a landslide.
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 18, 2007 9:54:54 GMT -5
THE SECOND TRADE OF THE SEASON HAS HAPPENED, and once again, it's Milton and Larry.
Larry ends up with the controversial Aaron Hill, and Milton gets Micah Owings.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 18, 2007 9:58:14 GMT -5
Now those two are just screwing with us.
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Post by cowbellman on Apr 18, 2007 10:03:12 GMT -5
Tom Iam not playing around with nobody. I have money in this league and I don't play around I take this shit seriously! I wanted this Pitcher and I got him. I hope  |
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Post by Bad Mouth Larry on Apr 18, 2007 10:06:33 GMT -5
milton, i gave you a gift, but you deserve it, you are a good guy.
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Post by Bad Mouth Larry on Apr 18, 2007 10:07:13 GMT -5
and i get aaron fucking hill in return. sounds like a no lose situation AGAIN for both of us.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 18, 2007 10:22:29 GMT -5
Do you mean THE "I went undrafted....again" Aaron Hill???
Yeah, no-lose situation, for sure. We mise as well pay you now!
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 18, 2007 16:21:12 GMT -5
One protest in:
1. One protest vote here.
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Post by cowbellman on Apr 18, 2007 16:33:26 GMT -5
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Post by nobeernofun on Apr 18, 2007 17:25:52 GMT -5
I think Larry needs Micah { Ouch My Hammy } Owings more then he needs Mr. April Aaron Hill . So no protest here .
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Post by area51 on Apr 19, 2007 7:47:31 GMT -5
This trade is malarky ... if that bum Jose hadn't fucked everything up on friday I could just wait for Larry to drop Owings and pick him up to be my #8 starter... this really sucks
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Post by Bad Mouth Larry on Apr 19, 2007 8:17:17 GMT -5
lol @ jose. i had to figure out a way to get hill. and i did. now im wondering how long i am going to have hill until i release him. he sucks anyway. lol. but there are no backup 2b, ss any better im afraid.
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Post by IronHorse4 on Apr 19, 2007 8:23:55 GMT -5
I'm having a bit of an issue with this trade. Aaron Hill is an established major leaguer, and we're not even sure if Micah Owings is going to stay up with the club (though it looks as though he may).
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 19, 2007 8:36:17 GMT -5
I agree with you on your main point, Justin, but I am more at ease in that Hill was not even drafted, never gets drafted, and spent most of his career as it is on our waiver wire. I dont think all too much of Hill. Perhaps this will come back and burn me. But, for now, he is what he is to me, and I could care less that these guys want to bounce him back and forth.
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Post by IronHorse4 on Apr 19, 2007 10:14:32 GMT -5
I agree there. I'm not protesting this trade, and if I thought Owings would be a great own this year I would have picked him up myself at numerous opportunities. As for Aaron Hill, he's a good start in a deep league, but he's bench fodder or an injury replacement in most cases.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Apr 19, 2007 20:04:30 GMT -5
Second place is first loser I always say....
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 24, 2007 9:11:11 GMT -5
Milton will not sit still, but when you're projected to finish 9th, that could happen.
But Larry is not the trading partner this time. Milton gives up Mariano Rivera, whom he feels he jinxed, to Capone for Jose Contreras and Dodgers fireballing closer Takashi Saito.
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