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Post by $heriff Tom on May 12, 2007 17:47:23 GMT -5
Is this trade a joke?? I mean, seriously. Please tell me its a joke.
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Post by MSBNYY on May 12, 2007 17:48:02 GMT -5
Protest:
1. absolutley not. a #1 overall fantasy pick throughout most of the universe, for that package of players? i dont care who else you throw in there. NO WAY
2, Protesting Pujols trade.
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Post by elliejay21 on May 12, 2007 18:22:41 GMT -5
I knew there is no way I'd get that pile of dog dung off my team. Any reasonable trade that moves that slacker Asshole, um, I mean Pujols, is going to be protested.
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Post by MSBNYY on May 12, 2007 18:31:00 GMT -5
There needs to be three more protests to kill it. You never know. Pujols is a tough guy to trade. We'll see how it plays out. I haven't looked it over with real depth though so it may be better than it looks at first glance.
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Post by $heriff Tom on May 12, 2007 19:10:50 GMT -5
I personally know of FOUR protests. Evan (check the Yahoo board) and I are locked in, and two other people called/texted me absolutely killing this trade...I am assuming they are protesting...Balls, maybe you should check your email and voice mail or something. By my math, you should need ONE more protest.
This may be THE worst trade ever put together in this league.
Laura, how stupid are you, why not just come out and ANNOUNCE PUJOLS IS AVAILABLE and sit back and watch the offers roll in? You think this is a worthy trade? No wonder you are in last place!
And for the record, I am not in the market for Pujols, so scratch ulterior motive off the list.
Evan even used the dreaded "c word" - as in COLLUSION, on his post....I would hate to think thats what is going on here, but this is an AWFULLY HARD TRADE TO DEFEND.
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Post by elliejay21 on May 12, 2007 19:54:55 GMT -5
reposted from the Yahoo board:
How about looking at the numbers before pulling the knee-jerk???
So sorry that I actually do not want to be relegated, and I'd like a few guys who are actually playing the game this year, rather than someone who "will eventually start hitting" but puts up 5 point weeks as I sink farther and farther out of contention.
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Post by MSBNYY on May 12, 2007 20:20:13 GMT -5
Keep in mind, it's a 2 day process, and this was about 3 hours into it. Not like I wouldn't have seen Evan's protest, which is now added, as is #4. If I'm not mistaken, I think 3 out of the 4 protesters so far have not protested a trade yet. I'm not 100 percent sure on that and won't check, but the serial protesters haven't even responded yet. So odds are this will be killed barring a bunch of super lazy people being asleep at the switch.
One more kills it.
1. absolutley not. a #1 overall fantasy pick throughout most of the universe, for that package of players? i dont care who else you throw in there. NO WAY
2. Protesting Pujols trade.
3. Uh, I protest. This is silly.
4. with that trade between last place Laura and manipulating Milton. If that's not collusion then I don't know the definition of the word. Yes, this is my official protest, and a public one at that.
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Post by jwmcc on May 12, 2007 21:27:33 GMT -5
What exactly is the collusion here?
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Post by MSBNYY on May 12, 2007 21:40:09 GMT -5
There is no collusion, but there sure is a 5th protest.
This trade, like Cory Lidle, is dead.
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Post by $heriff Tom on May 12, 2007 21:40:32 GMT -5
Maybe you should ask Evan. I would imagine it involves Laura realizing she is on the way out of the league, and she is giving Milton a boost to keep him back in. Most bad trades are protested out with shakes of the head and chuckles, this one is outright being met with outrage and befuddlement both.
Even the Yahoo ranking system puts it in perspective....Laura is swapping out the #1, #57, and # 158 ranked players for the 120nd, 207th, and 282nd ranked. I talked to someone a little while ago who it appears will be the 5th and final protest needed to kill it, and he said a trade of Pujols by himself for the entire package Milton is sending over by himself is still worth protesting out.
John, come on. I know you are a Laura advocate but do you not see the merits in putting someone like a Pujols on the block and seeing what you could get for one of the top fantasy players in baseball the last couple of years, rather than doing a backdoor deal with Milton, the king of steal-deal?
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Post by MSBNYY on May 13, 2007 8:21:53 GMT -5
If Laura was going to collude, I highly doubt she'd collude with Milton. You maybe, but not Milton. Evan can speak for himself, but I don't think he seriously thinks they were trying to collude. The trade got killed very fast--and on Mother's Day weekend. If they were trying to collude, they wouldn't be dumb enough to make a move that would look like collusion.
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Post by elliejay21 on May 13, 2007 11:26:23 GMT -5
T, while you are looking at the Yahoo rankings, look at the 2007 season.
I was trying to give up 197, 344 & 830 for 25, 62 & 191.
There was no collusion, there was me, very unhappy with my team, making a counteroffer to one that Milton sent me...
I guess I am so fed up, that I may undervalue Pujols, just a little. I see him as a worthless jinx & I honestly did not think Milton would accept my offer.
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Post by IronHorse4 on May 14, 2007 7:19:41 GMT -5
Another dumb trade accepted by a pigeon, courtesy of Trader Milton.
Milton trades Placido Polanco to Neil for Robinson Cano.
Why the fuck would you do that, Neil? Polanco has been sitting in free agency all year. Milton picks him up a week ago, and then you decide to give up a stud in Robinson Cano for a guy like Polanco? Hey, maybe Cano won't heat back up. I mean, he only damn near won the batting title last year.
Congrats to Milton for pulling off an absolute steal. Neil, check the numbers next time. Polanco finished TWO HUNDRED POINTS behind Cano last year, and Polanco is 6 or 7 years older than Cano. Do you really think that, over the course of the year, Polanco will get better and Cano will get worse?
Textbook example of buying low and selling high. Add to it the fact that elite second basemen are few and far between...wow. Utley, B. Roberts, Cano, and maybe two or three other guys who I think will be elite or close to it. That's all there is. But Polanco? What makes this trade worse is that Cano was traded for ANOTHER SECOND BASEMAN.
Congratulations again, Milton.
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Post by MSBNYY on May 14, 2007 7:22:10 GMT -5
Well, I think we will be seeing one word from Justin after this post, and I think that word would be "whoops."
Milton didn't make the trade. Jose did. I realize some might think that all spaniards look alike, but while Jose is from PR, he is not Milton.
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Post by BoxSeatsSuck on May 14, 2007 7:45:43 GMT -5
I know all about the numbers Justin. The past is the past... Look at the numbers for this season. He is outweighing Cano in every points bracket. I need someone that makes contact with the ball and gets on base. As of late Cano can't find a way to put the lumber on the ball.
I dont plan on keeping him for long. I have to get some points right NOW .
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Post by IronHorse4 on May 14, 2007 8:46:41 GMT -5
First of all, my apologies to giving Milton credit when it was Jose all along. Major oops on my part. Congratulations, Jose. And you think Placido Polanco will get you enough points NOW to make your team relevant? AND YOU DON'T PLAN TO KEEP HIM THAT LONG? ? You traded Cano for someone you don't plan to keep that long? I looked at the numbers for this season. I also have been playing fantasy baseball for roughly 15 years. I know that the numbers this season don't mean a whole lot when the season is 6 weeks old. You will learn. It's too bad your learning came at the expense of Jose's team improving. And while you will learn a lesson, it's too bad that we all have to pay a price in the process. Of course, I will look like a total idiot if Cano doesn't figure out what he's doing wrong.
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Post by MSBNYY on May 14, 2007 9:09:19 GMT -5
Protest:
1. Was Polanco even drafted? Why would someone make this trade? Some people in this league need to wake up.
2. i want to protest the trade. Because, like I said before. It's dumb.
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Post by TripleThreatJYP on May 14, 2007 14:28:28 GMT -5
I do NOT protest this trade.
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Post by elliejay21 on May 14, 2007 14:47:33 GMT -5
I DO NOT PROTEST THIS TRADE.
I would not make this trade, on either end. I think it is dumb and silly, BUT THAT IS NOT A REASON TO PROTEST.
I protest the mechanism of protest. Isn't there supposed to be some actual justification for protesting a trade? "It's dumb", "it's silly" and "I feel like protesting" are not viable reasons why people should not be able to trade players, SERIOUSLY.
Dumping players and collusion are wrong, no matter how unlikely they might be in MAY. Managing your team stupidly is SAD and could result in relegation, but must be allowed, because however misguided, the person is attempting to manage in the best interest of their team.
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Post by $heriff Tom on May 14, 2007 14:56:43 GMT -5
I protest the mechanism of protest. Isn't there supposed to be some actual justification for protesting a trade? "It's dumb", "it's silly" and "I feel like protesting" are not viable reasons why people should not be able to trade players, SERIOUSLY
One trade was protested out this year. One. In history, maybe one of 5, if that, trades have been killed. The system polices itself, and its not something we dreamed up on our own. If your trade is killed, 5 people in this league thought it was supremely unfair. That is certainly enough of a justification to kill it.
Laura, now is not the time for you to complain or hop up on the soapbox, cause it comes across as whining from someone whose team is astonishingly bad. I mean, what are you, 600 points out in the first month? That said, its still not reason to start handing out the #1 fantasy player over the last few years for a wink and a nod.
I have been asked by someone to "investigate" possible collusion (and no, it was not Evan, who actually used the word) - I think I just may do that. I will be calling you and Milton over the next couple of days, simply to find out what the two of you were thinking. Call it curiousity....for now.
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Post by elliejay21 on May 14, 2007 15:08:41 GMT -5
I'm 335 out of the money, thank you very much, and I do not consider that an insurmountable obstacle in MAY.
I explained my rationale, if you'd care to scroll back up this page, but if that is not good enough for you, I'll be available by phone after 5-5:30, any night this week. I'll also be available to discuss it over beer, anytime this weekend.
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Post by MSBNYY on May 14, 2007 15:26:51 GMT -5
Unfortunately, the self policing doesn't require a big reason to protest. You are allowed to protest because Tom has a gut, even if Tom isn't a part of the trade.
The idea is that the odds of FIVE people protesting like that are supposed to be small. It's one thing to have one idiot, but it's another to have FIVE.
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Post by $heriff Tom on May 14, 2007 15:37:35 GMT -5
When five people are protesting a trade, the idiot is at least one of the people involved in the trading. Not one of the protestors. These two trades made the last couple of days are mind-numbing, with the Pujols trade the singlemost worst/lopsided trade I have ever come across. I was hoping it was a joke when I saw it.
Laura, some friendly advice...while I personally do NOT believe collusion was involved, its awfully hard to explain away something like this when the team buried in last place is the one dumping the top fantasy player in the last few years. It looks like A ) giving up to an extent and B) helping out someone, for whatever reason. Wether its money changing hands, or trying to screw over other players, well, thats open for debate.
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Post by elliejay21 on May 14, 2007 15:51:27 GMT -5
Pujols is an overrated piece of dog dung, as evidenced by YET ANOTHER donut he put up last night. Do you think I'd be where I am in the standings if he were so great? The only time I was not in last this season was when he was benched... coincidence?
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Post by jwmcc on May 14, 2007 16:03:08 GMT -5
Albert Pujols has not dropped below .330 in a season since 2002, he has hit more than 40 HR's each of the last four seasons, and averaging around 122 RBI.
Yes, he's having a rough start, but some of it is due to the fact that the guys around him are giving no protection such as Rolen and Edmonds who are around the Mendoza line right now.
He may not have an MVP type season this time, but to throw the over-rated label is perhaps harsh. Jw
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Post by IronHorse4 on May 15, 2007 7:48:06 GMT -5
I'll take Pujols. Look at my roster. Pick what you want. We'll talk.
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Post by grover on May 15, 2007 19:57:04 GMT -5
This thread is stunning.
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Post by IronHorse4 on May 19, 2007 13:02:52 GMT -5
What the fuck is this new trade? Milton trades J.D. Drew and Ronny Paulino to Jose for Ryan Doumit? ?? Milton is giving up two full-time players for one part-timer? ?? Are you kidding me? I should let Milton die a slow death on this one, but I have to protest it. I don't like protesting trades unless they are absolutely ridiculous. And this trade? Holy shit. This trade is fucking ridiculous. Two STARTERS for one PART-TIMER. I protest.
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Post by $heriff Tom on May 19, 2007 13:12:51 GMT -5
` Hi folks! Count me in on this protest. This trade boggles the mind. This league is getting pretty fucked up, each trade is worse than the last. How does Milton try to explain this one?
Milton, PLEASE explain yourself here. Won't change my protest, none, but I would like to think you are either A) NOT colluding or B) not making this in protest of the last dumb trade you tried to get through not getting through.
LOL, even Grover had to make his way in here to yuk it up on this one.
Milton, wake up, pay attention to what is going on, or quit the league already.
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Post by MSBNYY on May 19, 2007 14:13:17 GMT -5
Two protests, one day to go.
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