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Post by thecaptain15 on Apr 24, 2007 10:38:58 GMT -5
Milton as a non-member of this league, but a Yankee fan, I prevail upon you to trade Mariano so he can become dominant again...Thanks!!!!
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Post by IronHorse4 on Apr 24, 2007 11:15:27 GMT -5
Contreras??? What kind of throw-in is that? I am considering protesting this trade, only because if anything it should be Saito for Rivera straight up. Contreras actually devalues this trade. Not to mention it gives Anthony a free roster spot while Milton has to find someone to drop.
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 24, 2007 12:26:29 GMT -5
As of now, there are still no official protests to this trade.
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Post by nobeernofun on Apr 24, 2007 14:40:38 GMT -5
W.T.F. is Milton having a fire sale ? I need a R.F. Can I get Abreu , Oh how about a starter like say Zito ? I got a used cup & a bag of balls , Do we have a deal ?
HOW THE HELL DO YOU TREAD RIVERA Milton he's your boy .
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Post by cowbellman on Apr 24, 2007 14:46:57 GMT -5
By the way Yoda I have 4 RF's so we can talk and once again I really think Iam jinxing Mo so I had to trade him.Plus the RP Iam getting has 6 saves already on his way to 45! He gets way more K's than Mo look up last year's stats.
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 26, 2007 11:51:46 GMT -5
I have to admit, I'm a little surprised this trade went through. But 48 hours did pass, and there were no protests. The lack of protests was the biggest surprise of them all.
As for this trade, I consider Contreras to be a non factor. There are some comparable fantasy level pitchers on the wire, so I don't think Milton accomplished anything with this throw-in.
Capone actually now is free to pick someone up to complete his team. I actually think this may be the first trade in league history where there was an imbalance of players.
So for all intents and purposes, this trade should be considered Saito for Rivera, straight up.
As others have pointed out, Rivera is the best closer of all time. But that doesn't necessarily translate to the best fantasy closer of 2007.
Last year, Rivera was better than Saito. But that's reality, not fantasy, and the difference wasn't as high as you would think even in the real world. Saito had a hell of a year, and even with Mo pitching VERY WELL, Saito, because of his high strikeout total, scored more fantasy points than Rivera, based on our scoring system.
But that was last year. It's now this year. Rivera, despite the slow start, brings consistency and reliability. Saito, while off to a good start, is only in his second year as an MLB closer, and may not keep it up.
If Saito doesn't tank, Milton actually gets the better of this deal, which I would never do in real life.
But Capone hardly loses out, getting the top closer ever, who hopefully got all his lousy games out of the way and will rebound. Plus, he actually got someone to take Contreras in a trade, which is funny.
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Post by TripleThreatJYP on Apr 26, 2007 12:46:23 GMT -5
I like the trade, thank you to the league for allowing it.
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Post by Bad Mouth Larry on Apr 26, 2007 12:47:30 GMT -5
i dont know. saito puts up good numbers, even if he is a step behind mariano. but contrerras, as much of a bum as he is at times, can also be lights out at other times. if the guy starts pitching well, milton gets the better of the deal.
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 26, 2007 12:53:03 GMT -5
That's such a big if though. Even last year, Contreras got just 284 points. That's at or near the waiver wire level. To get the true benefit, Contreras really has to go on a hot streak and Milton has to pick the right time to use him. But you could say that about pretty much any pitcher. He CAN be lights out, but it's hard to figure out when. I know he was great for about a year or so, if that, but it's been awhile.
I don't think Capone will have that much trouble finding someone to replace Contreras.
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Post by IronHorse4 on Apr 26, 2007 13:00:55 GMT -5
He won't. It's not a bad trade for Capone, provided he upgrades from Contreras as a result. Contreras really was a throwaway -- he could have dropped Contreras for someone on the wire, and someone might have grabbed Contreras, but I don't think he's that consequential.
That said, Saito is slightly better than Rivera. But Balls is right...if Milton gets ANY value out of Contreras, he is the clear winner of the deal.
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Post by Bad Mouth Larry on Apr 26, 2007 13:18:51 GMT -5
contrerras is a guy who goes on runs. thats his value.
and how did NO ONE protest this trade, but there are ALWAYS protests on my trades, which on the face seem to be fairer than this trade. vendetta anyone? am i that hated?
honestly, i would like to bring to toms table the idea of a fairer protest process. i dont have many ideas, besides putting it in the hands of the commissioner. msb is savvy enough to understand if a trade is of fairly equal value or not. the protests due to vendettas are malarky. i have it out for a few people. wait until you want to pass a trade through!!!
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Post by jwmcc on Apr 26, 2007 13:33:38 GMT -5
Uh oh.
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 26, 2007 13:35:53 GMT -5
But when was the last time Contreras had a good run? Did he have one last year?
Looking at 2006 stats, the only person Contreras is better than is Joe Blanton. Strangely enough, Blanton has been the highest producing starting pitcher to date on Milton's team. Of course, he's on Milton's bench until Sunday, but thanks to a complete game and a 2-1 start, he's doing very well. Assuming that over the course of a season, he'll be where he should be, he's due for a negative run, probably starting next week, given that Milton put him in.
Over the course of a season, using 2006 numbers, Contreras should get about 50 points more than Blanton. If that happens, Milton definitely gets the better of the deal. Should be interesting how the loss of Contreras hurts Capone's rotation. Through April, Contreras is off to a lousy start, so it's no loss.
As for the protesting process, I don't know what really can be changed. Our process is fairly standard. The whole point of protesting is to avoid collusion and overly lopsided trades.
Some people in the league have made stupid protests.
No trade is perfectly equal. Protesting because Walkman John gets the better of the deal and Grover loses slightly is just not good enough.
We require 5 people for a reason. Half minus one total half the people in the league, not involved in the trade. Again, that's fair. You don't need the full league to kill a trade and it helps stop collusion.
It also allows the league to police itself. We have one failsafe because we have a human commissioner--if the trade gets 4 protests, I'll review it. But since I'm not in the league, I have a tougher standard of killing a trade than I would if I were a member in the league. If I'm going to make a mistake, it will be on the side of allowing it. It's better for the 5th person to kill it than me killing it. The 5th person can override me overriding what is the will of the league.
It sucks when people protest to protest. But there's not much you can do about that since the league is self policing.
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Post by IronHorse4 on Apr 26, 2007 14:47:55 GMT -5
The other thing is, I've noticed in my years in the league that either the trade gets voted down swiftly or no one (or maybe 1 person) protests it at all. That tells me that some trades are valid and some are blatantly invalid. I voiced my opinion on this trade and Larry's last trade, but I stopped short of protest, because I didn't think there was enough there to actually protest.
As for Larry getting mad enough to "have it in for someone," well...you're one person. If 4 others feel the same way you do, then it's likely that 5 would. So it's really not that much of a threat.
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Post by elliejay21 on Apr 26, 2007 15:47:59 GMT -5
I think trades this early in the season are riskier (which could also be more potential upside) but more likely to go through, because you can really ony base their equity on history. It is too early to really say how the season is going...
It is also really entertaining to watch Milton systematically replacing every player he drafted...
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Post by TripleThreatJYP on Apr 27, 2007 10:08:17 GMT -5
Honestly Contreras was not part of my starting pitching plans. I have my top 5 pitchers and I like what they are bringing to the table. I have picked up Gustavo Chacin and Jarrod Washburn in case someone gets hurt, and I have Jason Schmidt when he comes off the DL.....for me it was simply trying to upgrade Saito with Rivera, plus I usually dont have Yankees on my team so I like the idea of rooting for one in two ways.
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Post by nobeernofun on Apr 27, 2007 10:22:13 GMT -5
So Larry wants to anoint Ball some short of Fantasy Tsar ? I like the democratic over tones of voting ya or na on trades . That said in true democratic fashion my vote is always there for the highest bib .
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Post by IronHorse4 on Apr 27, 2007 10:31:46 GMT -5
Good point about rooting for a Yankee in two ways. You should know, though, that you probably downgraded, not upgraded.
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Post by TripleThreatJYP on Apr 27, 2007 11:25:28 GMT -5
Saito- 72gms, 24 saves, 0.93era, 107ks
Rivera-63gms, 34 saves, 1.80era, 55ks
Right now in 2007 im on the short end of the stick but I think in the long run its a good trade, and I think I will have a comfortable lead by August so I shouldnt have to worry that much.
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Post by IronHorse4 on Apr 27, 2007 11:52:13 GMT -5
Which is consistent with last season regarding both of these relievers, because:
Which came out to 377 points.
Which came out to 352 points.
In other words, downgrade. Not a huge downgrade, by any means. But certainly not an upgrade, according to the stats you posted.
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Post by TripleThreatJYP on Apr 27, 2007 13:18:34 GMT -5
Correct but Im hoping by the end of the season Rivera has more points. Plus I wanted a Yankee on my team.
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 27, 2007 13:29:55 GMT -5
Well, at this point in the season, Saito has 57 points. Rivera has 8. So start the two with a clean slate on Sunday and see who gets more. Rivera is due.
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Post by MSBNYY on May 7, 2007 5:58:33 GMT -5
The latest swap between Larry and Milton sends Jeff Francoeur and Bobby Abreu back to their original teams.
Larry gets:
Bobby Abreu Mike González
Milton gets:
Jeff Francoeur Jason Frasor
The trade happened at 11:51pm Sunday, May 6. So tomorrow night is the last I'll take protests if any.
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Post by $heriff Tom on May 7, 2007 8:02:16 GMT -5
These two guys are idiots. Talk about trades for the sake of making trades. Yeah, lets just send each other the same players back and forth! Yay!
These two should be banned from dealing with each other, its like two overreaters going to all-you can eat buffets together.
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Post by MSBNYY on May 7, 2007 8:04:10 GMT -5
Or Donahue by himself.
You can't ban them from trading with each other. It they want to send the same guys back and forth twice a week until the trade deadline, it's their call, barring protests.
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Post by IronHorse4 on May 7, 2007 9:15:10 GMT -5
Milton, you're an idiot.
Frasor is going to lose that job.
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Post by MSBNYY on May 7, 2007 12:57:40 GMT -5
Two protest are in:
1. If there are not 10 votes agaist this one, something is terribly wrong. This is HORRIBLY unbananced [sic] and I say NO NO NO!
2. [part omitted to protext the identity of the protester] have to veto this trade . What is Milton thinking ?
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Post by IronHorse4 on May 8, 2007 15:55:02 GMT -5
Well, we know the second one is Pops. He's the only guy I know that puts a space before a period.
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Post by MSBNYY on May 12, 2007 16:59:15 GMT -5
Milton and Laura have made a trade: Milton is the Pat Gillick of our league. He gets: Albert Pujols Ryan Zimmerman Ervin Santana
And Laura gets: Mike Lowell Shawn Green Justin Verlander
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Post by MSBNYY on May 12, 2007 16:59:48 GMT -5
Protest:
1. absolutley not. a #1 overall fantasy pick throughout most of the universe, for that package of players? i dont care who else you throw in there. NO WAY
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