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Post by $heriff Tom on May 9, 2008 7:19:05 GMT -5
Well, we all know Joba is very animated on the mound, wether its pumping his fist and howling after a strikeout with no one on and a 3 run lead, or dancing around like a schoolgirl being attacked by bees when some gnats are buzzing around his head. Its long been talked about that a lot of guys around the league are grumpy over it, and others are amused, and others just flat-out angry. Add Dave Dellucci to the list of those getting tired of Joba's "bush" antics. You guys know my take....I am amused the same group of you that defend Joba for what he does kills guys like Pedro for doing the same things.
Here's DD's take...
"If he wants to yell and scream after a strikeout, I guess thats what gets him going...Its May baseball. The home run was in a much bigger situation. I didnt dance and scream. If a hitter did something like that, it would be bush. Its kind of interesting how a pitcher gets away with it."
Its only a matter of time for someone to go after them. Considering Joba's size, I would normally welcome it cause you would figure he could defend himself easy enough. But considering how he handled bugs.....eh, I dont know.
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Post by MSBNYY on May 9, 2008 7:25:06 GMT -5
Who gives a shit what Dave Dellucci thinks? Sabbathia does the same shit. Does he complain? There's nothing wrong with emotion on the mound. Who was the guy who used to psyche himself up by turning his back to the batter and punch his glove?
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Post by $heriff Tom on May 9, 2008 7:42:59 GMT -5
All kinds of guys partook in those antics, from The Mad Hungarian to Mark "The Bird" Fidrych, to Ubrina and onward. But they too had their detractors. I love how all of a sudden this is a great thing, when before Joba came to town Yankee fans would line up to kill on guys for doing the same thing.
Joba has no proven enough to me to earn the right. But we'll see. It would have been nice to see him doing that after taking care of Cleveland in last years playoffs, but I guess that would have been asking too much...
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Post by 9 on May 9, 2008 9:16:03 GMT -5
Joba's antics enrage Warner Wolf. Therefore, I'm in favor of them.
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Post by Chris on May 9, 2008 11:01:42 GMT -5
I am a Joba Fan.
I am also a big fan of the notion, "Act Like You've Been There Before."
As a matter of fact, to me, it would be much more charismatic and show up the hitter a lot more if he blew that slider by Delucci, walked off the mound with his head down as if he just done something as mundane as passing gas.
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Post by cactusjames on May 9, 2008 11:19:19 GMT -5
I don't mind it, from anyone really. And while yesterday is being viewed as a k with none on and up by three, I see a guy getting pumped that he sat a guy on his ass, who just the day beofre lit him up. Good for Joba, he should be happy he got revenge.
And let's not forget, the bitching goes as far as tennis too. Sharapova gets shit for her grunts and screams from my bedroom, er... I mean on the court. For some reason, people get offended when anyone shows emotion in sports, cause appearntly adreniline isn't going through your body when competitng, everyone is cool, calm and collected at all times. This is sports, the thing we've all played and loved since diapers and we're going to judge somebody cause they express themelves when doing something big in a game? It's fucking nuts, it's suppose to be fun, it's a game. Not a fucking board metting with suit and tie guys.
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Post by $heriff Tom on May 12, 2008 20:24:50 GMT -5
Yay Goose. So a lot of you homos are overprotective of Joba and his jigs, and rip to shreds anyone who dares question it, with all kinds of insults to the person. Well, how bout Goose Gossage? He thinks his dancing is crap. "There's no place for it in the game," Gossage, who'll be inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame this summer, said Monday about last week's Chamberlain celebration on the mound. "I will stand by that and I love Joba Chamberlain. I'm with him down in Spring Training. He's a great kid, but no one is passing the torch today. Nobody talks to them. When I broke into the big leagues, I didn't say two words all year." mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080512&content_id=2687738&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy
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Post by 9 on May 12, 2008 21:34:10 GMT -5
It's a different era. I'm somewhere in the middle. I don't mind it sometimes, but Joba does it WAY too much.
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Post by $heriff Tom on May 12, 2008 21:57:57 GMT -5
More on this. Apparently Goose is making the rounds dressing Joba down. This was from Bob Klapisch's column on Northjersey.com...bottom line, you guys can laugh this off, but the old-school guys just dont think this is the "Yankee way." "That's just not the Yankee way, what Joba did. Let everyone else do that stuff, but not a Yankee," Gossage said by telephone on Saturday. "What I don't understand is, the kid's got the greatest mentor in the world in Mariano [Rivera]. He's one of the leaders of the team, so you'd think it wouldn't happen on that team.
"But there's no one to pass the torch anymore, no one to teach the young kids how to act. The Mets did a lot of that [celebrating] last year, and look how it came back to haunt them.""I'm trying to think of what would've happened if I did what Joba did, especially if I was a rookie," he said. "The veterans would've sat me down so fast, it would've never happened a second time. Truthfully, there would've never been a first time." Oh, and this is even better. Check out Roy White ripping Melky Cabrera one. White, in particular, took issue with Melky Cabrera, who often does a full-spin, twirl high-five after a home run or Yankee victory."I saw that 360-thing he did with [Robinson] Cano at the end of one of the games and I was shocked. I was like, 'Are you kidding me?' " White said by telephone. "I'm sorry, that's just too much. I'm guess I'm old school, but there's a professional way to play baseball, there's a Yankee tradition, back to [Joe] DiMaggio and Mickey Mantle.
"You hit a home run, act like you've hit one before, not like it's the first time in your life."
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Post by MSBNYY on May 13, 2008 6:04:22 GMT -5
And again, who cares? The idea of telling a kid NOT to be emotional and pumped is one of the most ridiculous things out there. There are far more important issues on the Yankees than Joba getting pumped up.
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Post by 9 on May 13, 2008 6:27:50 GMT -5
True. It would be nice if this team didn't suck, and Joba had the chance to dance more than once a week.
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Post by $heriff Tom on May 13, 2008 7:32:36 GMT -5
Hey, Balls, take it up with Goose and Roy White. I guess the guys who wore, and won in the uniform before, are just talking crap?
Joba is making himself out to be a joke between his two-stepping on the mound and his fear of gnats.
One LOL in the Goose thing, though, Goose was complaining that fist-pumping like Joba does may wear on his shoulder and preclude future injuries.
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Post by Domi on May 13, 2008 8:40:02 GMT -5
LOL the "Yankee way". Come on. Seriously.
I guess back in the day it was okay to sit one's bare ass on a cake in the clubhouse, then go out and get drunk, violate curfew, get into a bar fight, and cheat on one's wife. But at least one didn't show one's emotions on the field.
I also guess that the "Yankee way" is to whinge and whinge until one gets elected to the Hall of Fame. Classy~!
And don't tell me how I'd be ripping a non-Yankee for doing this, as I've been saying for years that if a pitcher doesn't want Manny Ramirez, for example, staring for 5 minutes at home plate after a home run, the obvious solution is to not let Manny Ramirez hit the ball 400 feet.
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Post by Domi on May 13, 2008 8:42:17 GMT -5
Also: "preclude" isn't the word you're looking for.
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Post by cactusjames on May 13, 2008 9:42:34 GMT -5
I agree with Domi, there is no yankee way, it's just the uniform. There is a legacy and a history, that no other sports team can match, but to say one minor, little thing is forbiden when worse crimes have been committed by guys in yankee uniforms is a joke. It's right up there with saying, no facial hair, or sideburns when you're on the yankees. More credit to Damon and other who have conformed, but I would've been like fire me or trade me, I'm not shaving for the uniform. Dancing, facial hair, or even as Domi brought up, excessive partying do not hurt the yanks chances at winning, them sucking ass and finishing behind the Rays makes them suck.
And Goose can go screw. When's the last time he struck out a major leaguer? You don't plyayou don't pitch, you're irrelevant. You finally bitched your way into the Hall, now he's some authority? I hate those old, stingy, "in my day, blah blah blah" whiny ex ball players. It's not you're day anymore, it's 2008. Make you're once a year appearance, tip your cap and shut your mouth, I'm trying to enjoy the game. Just cause they played doesn't make they're opinion better than anyone else's. Goose played 30 fucking years ago on the yanks, kids have grown up differently, and the game is played differently. You don'tlike new baseball, rent the history of the world series and watch only the first half you old fucking relic.
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Post by Chris on May 13, 2008 11:27:11 GMT -5
Joba and Melky can go Chris Penn in Footloose all they want on the field.
Again, my personal feeling is this - if you're looking to be self-congratulatory for the feat you just performed on the field, and trying to demoralize your victim along the way (and don't tell me this isn't prevalent - psychological victories over your opponent play a large role in sports) then the best way of doing that is to "act like you've been there before." When a guy score a touchdown and just nonchalantly drops the ball and trots off the field, to me that says, "I just burned your ass for a TD, no biggie, that's par for the course. I'm just better than you." But when you jump up and down and bust out the Cabbage Patch in the end zone you're sending a different message, "Holy Shit, I just played out of my ass and succeeded against you....wow, I sure hope I can pull that off again, but just in case I can't I'd better live it up while I have the chance."
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Post by Chris on May 13, 2008 11:29:24 GMT -5
And this isn't a new thing either.
Reggie Jackson LOATHED Oil Can Boyd for the very same reasons.
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Post by cactusjames on May 13, 2008 11:44:39 GMT -5
To me Deucci's a cry baby, if he was so good he wouldn't be a utility guy for like 9 diferent clubs already. There's nothing wrong with showing emotion, call it celebratory or rubbing it in, whatever you want, to me is showing emotion. They're not robots, they don't have to keep a staright face, it's not some test or a courtroom, it's a ballpark where they play a fucking game. They wear pinstripes, big fucking deal, it's not a 25 thousand dollar suit that says every signle person who puts in on has to act and look a certain way. It's the Bronx, not Nazi Germany. When did sports take on this serious definition?
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Post by Chris on May 13, 2008 12:05:23 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is saying that Joba should be forbidden from dancing around. No one wants to turn MLB into the No Fun League.
What I am saying is that, from a personal standpoint, I think it's WEAK.
Back in the day I was a pretty decent hoops guy. I played for Riverside City College under former USC coach Bob Boyd and Tarkanien's son for a year with and against quite a few future UNLV stars (the local Inland Empire community colleges were a pipeline to UNLV where scholastically challenged players were sent to bring their grades up). I remember playing in a lot of city park pick up games and quite often I found the most demonstrative players to be the guys that I pretty much owned but once in a great while got over on me. Now, I was nothing but a weekend warrior hoopster....I can only imagine how pros view this. It's WEAK SHIT...I think so anyone, and on a pro level I can only imagine it's viewed that way even more.
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Post by cactusjames on May 13, 2008 12:15:25 GMT -5
Maybe i'm different, cause I'm more a hockey fan than anything else, and when you score a goal, you celebrate. When you hit someone, stand over them for a second, and tell them they'll be on their ass for 60 minites. In baseball, you get a big strikeout, pump you're fist, scream, get pumped, whatever. When hitting a homer, what can you do but stare at it for a little bit and then strut into home? I hate it only cause of the guys that do it, I don't hate they do it. I was mad when football banned endzone celebrations, A) they were funny and B) when you vertical leap 5-6 feet when covered by two guys and bring a TD in, who cares, you should celebrate. Tiger when he hits big putts, tennis players when making a sick shot, almost all sports have it. Why should baseball, but more importantly one fucking team, be the exception? And please no one bring up the yanks have more class than anyone therefore are above it, like the bitter old men who can't get the ball from the mound to home plate anymore.
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Post by $heriff Tom on May 13, 2008 12:41:11 GMT -5
Back in the day I was a pretty decent hoops guy. I played for Riverside City College under former USC coach Bob Boyd and Tarkanien's son for a year with and against quite a few future UNLV stars (the local Inland Empire community colleges were a pipeline to UNLV where scholastically challenged players were sent to bring their grades up). I remember playing in a lot of city park pick up games and quite often I found the most demonstrative players to be the guys that I pretty much owned but once in a great while got over on me. Now, I was nothing but a weekend warrior hoopster....I can only imagine how pros view this. It's WEAK SHIT...I think so anyone, and on a pro level I can only imagine it's viewed that way even more.
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Post by Chris on May 13, 2008 12:50:03 GMT -5
OK, well I left out the part where I rode the pine....AND if dropping Tarkenian's SONS name is "name dropping" then that's pretty sad for me.
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Post by $heriff Tom on May 13, 2008 12:52:40 GMT -5
You dropped the name "Bob Boyd."
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Post by Chris on May 13, 2008 13:16:18 GMT -5
He was a funny guy. He coached at USC while Wooden was dominating the scene at UCLA.
He told us that he used to answer his phone, "This is NOT John Wooden speaking."
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Post by ajfreakz on May 13, 2008 15:08:55 GMT -5
honestly i think it's all a jealous factor with these OLDER FORMER YANKEES .. jealous of the amount of money these guys make now, the fact that they are 25-30 years out of the game and probably miss playing, the amount of coverage baseball gets now. i mean could you imagine the 70's yankees on the YESNETWORK for every game and ESPN 3 or 4 times per month it would be a whole other form of the bronx zoo.. and if they think the yankee way is speaking through the media to a player (white or goose) may or may not have ever met how about you call the kid up instead of reem him a new asshole through an interview ..if you want to be taken seriously from a young kid be a mentor that way
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Post by Chris on May 13, 2008 15:55:56 GMT -5
I'm not really sure where the jealousy would come in, AJ. What in the world would Goose Gossage have to be jealous of Joba for?
I know Joba is the current flavor of the month, but he's not gonna make anyone forget The Goose anytime soon.
Sorry, I don't get that take.
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Post by ajfreakz on May 13, 2008 16:08:43 GMT -5
jealous of the fact that joba can play the game that GOOSE loves to play BUT he CANT anymore.
again you dont think guys like goose or reggie envy guys like arod or jeter or cano who make so much more money now than ever before.. ?? i mean in teh case of joba and melky they dont make money yet but ina few years joba im sure will cash out and make more money than goose made in his whole fucking career
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Post by ajfreakz on May 13, 2008 17:15:25 GMT -5
and what the heck is act like a yankee Goose ?? having a nice fist fight w/ your own teammate in the shower in 1979 or maybe being mickey mantle and womenizing and cheating on your wife or being so fucking drunk you get benched because you can't play the field.. so those things are ok and yankee approved but joba pumping his fist and being excited is not..
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Post by MSBNYY on May 13, 2008 18:49:51 GMT -5
Freakz--Joe DiMaggio was once asked a similar question about the money issue. He was asked what he'd be making had he been playing for Steinbrenner. He basically said that he'd walk into Steinbrenner's office and say, "howdy partner." But could you imagine what Mantle would have been like had he made that kind of money? He probably would have been dead at 30.
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Post by $heriff Tom on May 13, 2008 22:08:51 GMT -5
Freakz and company - enough about the lockerroom fisticuffs and sitting in cakes. Goose and White are talking about the Yankee way ON THE FIELD. The Yankees were never about dancing, shoving it in peoples faces, or hot-dogging it. What happened in the clubhouse should stay in the clubhouse. They are not talking about rampant womanizing or drinking around the club, they are talking about the kids acting like jackoffs ON THE FIELD.
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