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Post by Chris on Jun 1, 2008 13:20:07 GMT -5
I firmly believe that Kellerman's approach to sports prognosticating is to say as many outlandish things as you can, so when the one in a million comes true, he can say, "See...you heard it hear first."
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Post by MSBNYY on Jun 2, 2008 7:59:35 GMT -5
Tom you dolt, at NO POINT did I latch onto this. Can you read? I'm the one who said he does not project even close to that.
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Post by 9 on Jun 2, 2008 9:29:48 GMT -5
Youse two are so cute when you fight.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jun 3, 2008 10:42:29 GMT -5
Here's another take on this from out there on the old web. www.bugsandcranks.com/new-york-yankees/the-most-important-65-pitches-ever-thrown/The most important 65 pitches ever thrownWhatever plans you had for tonight, cancel ‘em. Mark tonight on your calendar. Burn the date into your memory banks. Years from now, you’ll want to remember where you were the evening of June 3, 2008.
The world stops tonight because Joba Chamberlain makes his first career start for the New York Yankees.
The pitcher formerly known as the best set-up man in the history of mankind will throw about 65 pitches as he tries to become the dominating starting pitcher of Hank Steinbrennner’s (wet?) dreams.
These won’t be just any 65 pitches. They will be THE MOST IMPORTANT 65 PITCHES EVER THROWN since Abner Doubleday invented the game.
These will be the 65 pitches that make or break Joba’s career, the Yankees season, their success or failure for the next millennium and determine whether Hank gets to gloat about how brilliant a baseball mind he is because Joba should have been a starter all along.
Millions of words will be written about these 65 pitches, including this non-sensical babble you are reading now. Trees will be felled to print the newspaper pages needed. The Internet will be in danger of collapsing under the weight of all the bandwidth needed to handle the news reports, columns, blogging and discussion of THE MOST IMPORTANT 65 PITCHES EVER THROWN.
Seriously, I think expectations are way out of control for Chamberlain at this point.
He may one day be a tremendous starting pitcher. Shoot, that might even happen this year. The Yankees and their fans — of which I am, of course, one — need to be realistic about what they will get from Chamberlain tonight and over the next few weeks.
He has undeniably been a tremendous reliever, and he has great stuff that makes you believe he can be a great starter. But, it is unfair to expect him to be dominating immediately as a starter. Consider:
He is a 22-year-old kid making his first major league start. He has never pitched more than two innings or thrown at least 50 pitches in a major league game. He has never, to my knowledge, pitched long enough to face the same hitters more than once in a game. That’s a huge adjustment. He isn’t stretched out anywhere near well enough yet to pitch normal starter innings. The Yankees likely will have to be happy if they get four innings out of him tonight. Much IS riding on the Yankees’ decision to make Chamberlain a starter, as well as to put so much faith in youngsters Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy. Little, though, will be determined tonight.
Amazingly, it is Steinbrenner who is providing a voice of reason when it comes to expectations for tonight.
“What’s important is what he does for us over the next 10 years, not what he can do for us [tonight],” Steinbrenner said. “It’s not about what [Chamberlain] can do for us [tonight], or what the bullpen did [Monday night].”
It will be fun to watch as Chamberlain begins the next phase of what the Yankees hope will be a dominant career. It’s just highly unlikely that tonight will be historic.
And no matter what happens, it won’t prove anything.
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Post by 9 on Jun 3, 2008 11:24:23 GMT -5
One thing I'm happy about is that Joba's first start is drawing so much attention away from dipshit Pedro's return.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jun 3, 2008 12:47:40 GMT -5
He could pitch 65 pitches of no hit ball through 5 and it won't be anymore than a beginning. Or he can pitch 65 pitches and get rocked. Same thing.
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Post by Chris on Jun 3, 2008 13:29:53 GMT -5
Of course, Balls. Because you're towing the party line. Joba AND The Yankees have a built-in excuse for the potential failure of this horrendous plan.
He could shit the bed all year, and on the last day of the season we'll still be talking about growing pains and how good he should be NEXT YEAR as a starter.
Meanwhile he could have been mowing motherfuckers down in the 7th and 8th.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jun 3, 2008 14:49:21 GMT -5
The thing is, I've been saying from the beginning that Joba should start--even before he went to the pen in the minors last year. Fortunately, most people understand baseball enough to know not to judge it from one game.
And yes, he COULD shit the bed all year and have his growing pains. He's 22 years old.
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Post by Chris on Jun 3, 2008 18:13:27 GMT -5
And THAT is where you are dead wrong, Balls. The place for a YOUNG (your point, not mine) pitcher to exercise his demons is the minor leagues.
(As I type this, a pedestrian 92 mph fastball buzzes by)
A young promising pitcher ought to have some idea how he's going to pitch by the time his first start rolls around. Joba hasn't started in ages, and has no clue how he's going to pitch. First AB proved my point....Joba is throwing a dime-a-dozen low 90s fastball, douchebag Molina drops his 98 mph pitch, and he walks the first batter. Velocity is the name of the game that Joba has known for the past several months, and starting with an expectation of 5 or 6 innings takes that aspect of his game away. He only controls his curveball OK at this point. June baseball in Yankee Stadium is no place to work this stuff out.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jun 3, 2008 18:22:23 GMT -5
What a joke this is.
And halfway to the pitch-count to boot. Cho, you wont like this - Balls already texted me from the Stadium blaming Giambi for prolonging the inning by not getting that single in the hole.
Give me a fucking break here.
So now we have that Giese (sp?) guy I never heard of on the way in, most likely by the 3rd inning. Is this what you fuckers wanted?
Cant wait to hear the apologists defend this one.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jun 3, 2008 18:23:37 GMT -5
This just in - most pitches Joba ever threw in a major league game was 40.
He has just thrown pitch 34 in the first fucking inning! 3 walks!
Way to go, you fat Indian.
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Post by Chris on Jun 3, 2008 18:26:29 GMT -5
"Balls already texted me from the Stadium blaming Giambi for prolonging the inning by not getting that single in the hole" - good Lord!!!!!!!
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Post by Chris on Jun 3, 2008 18:27:59 GMT -5
Lucky for Joba, he's only going up against Halladay! HAHAHA!
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jun 3, 2008 19:00:51 GMT -5
WOW. That really accomplished something!
Didnt even make it through 3.
I bet all the idiots that bought tickets just to see this are thrilled.
Harlan should have stayed home, in all due respect.
Tonight was a colossal failure.
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Post by Chris on Jun 3, 2008 19:01:57 GMT -5
The other thing that no one has considered -
With Joba on these pitch/inning limits the Yankees now have to carry supplementary relief pitchers so that they don't burn out their normal bullpen arms when Joba pitches....and this could go one for another month.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jun 3, 2008 19:03:12 GMT -5
OF COURSE. We discussed that, mainly in the aspect that with Joba only throwing 3 innings even just using tonight, others need to throw the other 6. Are you happy we moved Joba to the starting rotation so we could see Geise on the mound at 8PM?
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Post by Chris on Jun 3, 2008 19:05:40 GMT -5
GROWING PAINS, Tom! What a joke.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Jun 3, 2008 21:02:06 GMT -5
Let's go RAYS
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Post by MSBNYY on Jun 3, 2008 21:26:16 GMT -5
He needs to be more aggressive with those first pitch strikes. I would think the pitch count will be raised next time out.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jun 3, 2008 21:34:12 GMT -5
Yeah, so what. Raise the pitch count to 100 so he can pitch 4 innings instead of 2.1.
He threw almost 70 pitches in under 3 innings.
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Post by Chris on Jun 3, 2008 21:34:15 GMT -5
The only bright spot to Joba's debut as a starter was listening to Al Leiter do the broadcast.
He's good, OK. He's analysis is as good as Kaat's was.
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Post by MSBNYY on Jun 4, 2008 6:04:48 GMT -5
So because he threw 62 pitches in 3 innings in one start at age 22, he will do that every single time? He had a rough 1st inning that was helped along by Giambi. He also did much better in the second and third innings. You are a Negative Nancy. Why be a Negative Nancy when you can be a Positive Pete? So turn that frown upside down and look at the positives of this start. The two runs they scored were semi-retarded. In both cases, you had a runner on first that got to third on rare conditions. The first one moved along on a balk and a passed ball. The second was an inherited runner that moved from first to third when Molina threw the ball to Melky on a stolen base.
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Post by 9 on Jun 4, 2008 7:27:00 GMT -5
LOL @ Positive Pete!
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Post by Chris on Jun 4, 2008 8:59:38 GMT -5
The final score of the game was 9-3, because the bulk of the innings were completed by a patchwork job of loser relievers and never-will-be's.
How does Positive Pete feel about that?
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Post by Furious D on Jun 4, 2008 9:10:49 GMT -5
Realistic Ralph doesn't like it one bit.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Jun 4, 2008 9:38:40 GMT -5
Balls, its hilarious that you are spinning yesterday in any fashion. Defending what he did as almost a best-case scenario. To be blunt, I would rather he had given up 8 hits. The fact that he walked 3, was all over the place, and geeked himself into a balk is alarming. As he did in Cleveland, he spit the bit.
The guy needs to control himself, and get the fucking ball over the plate. And we STILL have not seen him face the same batters twice-around - he only faced the leadoff guy twice last night. That may be more fun, fun, fun! But it took him over 60 pitches to get around the lineup once. Horrible.
And stop with the Giambi thing - you seem to know it all from your perch well behind the RF - he had no shot at the ball, no one did. And even if he miracously got that ball, fat Joba was not covering first base. No one anywhere else is bringing up Giambi's name, aside from his big hit. Stop with your sour grapes. And you, defender of Jeter's horrible range, should not be whining about a ball hit between two guys, into the hole, that no one gets.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Jun 4, 2008 9:47:06 GMT -5
I like Realistic Ralph. Good thing we didn't sign Colon.
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Post by jwmcc on Jun 4, 2008 9:53:34 GMT -5
What the hell is going on here?
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Post by ajfreakz on Jun 4, 2008 9:58:46 GMT -5
the problem i had with joba pitching last night was the pitch count he was given..
how do you let a kid start a game and then give him a limit and expect him to be any good
i could just imagine what he is thinking during each pitch after he throws it he has a count down going on in his head..NOW I HAVE 37 PITCHES LEFT .. and its only the 2nd inning..
that i believe was one of the main problems before Joba threw a pitch
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Post by Chris on Jun 4, 2008 10:09:18 GMT -5
And still, even though I'm in arms with all of those who are complaining about last night, my stance is still a bit different.
Most of you feel Joba should be a starter, just not implemented in this fashion.
I submit that by making him a starter, forcing him to conserve energy, you're taking away a huge part of his game. Yeah, he hit 98 a few times last night - that's because he knew he was done after a few innings. You're not gonna see 98 consistently when he has to stretch out for 6 or 7 innings.
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