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Post by cactusjames on Mar 25, 2007 11:59:21 GMT -5
They were the best vignettes ever. I love em. They're 100% perfect. When I first started watching my two favorite heels were Owen and Perfect. OPf course The Brain was with him, and Flair was the champ. The promo after Savage beat Flair with Heenan, Naitch and Perfect was fucking gold. The song is perfect too. I want the Perfect DVD next week.
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Post by drock2006 on Mar 25, 2007 14:51:53 GMT -5
I remember these...there were a bunch of them. They also did a WWF mag where they claimed Mr Perfect always made a hole in one on the old links. the shot showed him lining up a putt
Perfect!
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 25, 2007 16:25:50 GMT -5
I always wondered how many takes it took to get those vignettes right.
I also wonder if they have blooper reels where he fucks up. Like the basketball one and he shoots the perfect air ball. Or in baseball, where he swings and misses perfectly.
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Post by drock2006 on Mar 25, 2007 20:43:20 GMT -5
Gorilla Monsoon actually did a segment with the Brain on Prime Time where he implied that was the case and Heenan kept denying it. I could not give justice to the way those two used to go back and forth about mr Perfect on prime time.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 26, 2007 21:36:30 GMT -5
JR gets the nod..would like to see Dr. Death induct him though I am sure that is not the case.....Maybe Bob Stoops, Barry Switzer, Billy Sims...lol.......Well if he ain't in already (which I don't believe he is) Gordon Solie better not be far behind...
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 26, 2007 21:39:13 GMT -5
HOF ceremony will be televised at midnight on USA..I have the TIVO already set....
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 26, 2007 22:16:08 GMT -5
Stone Cold will be inducting ole JR. Also, the ceremony will be sliced to pieces, and only the inductions of JR, Ross, Mr Perfect, and Dusty Rhodes will be shown.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 28, 2007 18:49:11 GMT -5
I guess I will have to wait until 24/7 to see the induction I am most interested in Mr. Fuji....also looking forward to the Samoans...
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 28, 2007 21:37:39 GMT -5
Dont know if we covered this already, but Fuji will be inducted by Don "Magnificent" Muraco.
Cap, what do you think about the internet smarks ripping the induction of Fuji? Lots of people think Fuji sucked as a wrestler, and sucked as a manager, and was only inducted as he is a McMahon family crony from back in the day.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Mar 29, 2007 6:12:43 GMT -5
I always loved Mr. Fuji..........Always on top of the tag division when there was a meaningful tag division..I also enjoyed his work with Muraco immensely as a manager. A worthy candidate in my eyes and I am happy Muraco will be doing the inducting....Hey they hate MVP too so what do they know...lol
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Post by MSBNYY on Mar 30, 2007 7:31:12 GMT -5
Just watched Raw yesterday. It was kind of cool seeing the ovation JR got. Lawler and JR are a great tandem, and JR is worthy. The only issue with it is that it's like inducting Flair. Ross is still active at what he's doing. Not a major issue by any means.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 31, 2007 18:10:01 GMT -5
Watching online now, live. WWE.COM. Busy doing other things, but Bock is up first, and I need to see this.
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Post by cactusjames on Mar 31, 2007 22:22:59 GMT -5
I saw Fuji and Sheik. I lked both, but Fuji was funny, though it was hard to understand him at times, not because of the accent. Sheiks wife was good and the crowd gave her a big hand all throughout, but she was skethcy at times, boucning around almost incoherent, but she got some logical thoughts across. RVD was good cause he didn't seem forced except for the generic lines. His stories of training with Sabu etc were good.
My favorite part, after showing the HBK All Grown Up WM video, they showed shots of HBK and Cena, alternating back and forth. Each tme HBK was on a big pop. For Cena, boo birds. No down the middle about it. If that doesn't tell WWE how to book the main event then I don't know. But that also means Vince will go opposite just cause he's Vince.
But aside from that, I really wanna see Perfect so I'm looking foward to midnight. And what I saw I liked. The crowd was really into it so that helped, JR and King should be loud.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Mar 31, 2007 23:57:24 GMT -5
First off, they need to ban the public from these. Make it invite only. The fans howling is not only distracting, but extremely disrespectful.
Its also funny how chopped up this version on USA is. Apparently JRs speech was really 25 minutes long, but they got it down to 2 on TV. Lawlers had a start and finish, but seemingly no middle. Its a waste of time to watch these edited versions.
As to Cena being booed, it did not stop Vince before. The mere fact he is getting such a raucous reception shows he has the fans in the palms of his hand. And you can snicker off his supposed popularity, and I merely have to point to the fact that he outsells EVERYONE in merchandise (including the mighty DX when they were back in the forefront) shows most of the boos are people trying to make themselves the show.
There should be less in the way of boos tomorrow as there will be lots of casual fans there. The fans booing him tonight at the same people who were apparently trying to start a "Who?" chant during Shiek's induction.
Batista was also booed heavily, but they are gearing to that. He will be a heel by the end of tomorrow night.
One more thing - Dustys son Cody, who just partook in the induction, has a lot of natural charisma himself. He's training in OVW, we'll be seeing him soon.
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Post by sancho231 on Apr 1, 2007 2:37:20 GMT -5
If that doesn't tell WWE how to book the main event then I don't know. But that also means Vince will go opposite just cause he's Vince.
WAy to be a fuckin mark. with that fuckin logic Hogan would have never lost the belt ... ever. the last thing Vince mcmachon need to do is to listen to the super duper marks who will travel that far to see the HOF. the fans Booing CENA is no reason to pull the plug on this title regin. eapecally for a guy like Shawn who's had the blet before, dont need it and at best would lose the belt in 2 or 3 months. I have to disagree with you that statement is fuckin stupid
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Post by cactusjames on Apr 1, 2007 2:44:03 GMT -5
I think the mixture of cheers and boos have to do with the guys wanting Michaels to win and the girls and kids wanr Cena to win. Same as with Edge, Orton, HHH last wrestlemania. Tonight was simply due to the fact not many chicks and little kids are going to the HOF Ceremoy.
As for the outcome, it's obvious it's going to go that way. But it's a sign that if Vince wants to change thins up a bit and freshen up some guys, throw the belt on Michaels for a little bit, especially now that HHH is out. Speaking of HHH, Dusty bringing him up was really cool. Dusty was awesome period, but that's gotta feel cool for HHH to be singled out like that by Dusty Rhodes. Him and Flair got really choked up when Dusty talked about them.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 1, 2007 9:08:52 GMT -5
Good job, Shatner, you dick!
Hope you're proud, Balls!
William Shatner comes out next to introduce Jerry 'The King' Lawler. He got several loud boos during his speech, mostly because it was obvious he was reading from a prepared statement the whole time, almost never looking up at the camera. Personally I was insulted that he came out instead of Lance Russell and yelled "PRICELINE SUCKS" right when he started speaking. Shatner continued putting himself over for being on "The King's Court" and getting in a fight with Lawler, going on way too long in general. King admits as much when he comes out. (account on wrestleview)
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Post by cactusjames on Apr 1, 2007 9:22:54 GMT -5
I'm not even saying this cause I want the belt on Shawn, I do but that's not what this is abut. I wish Edge could have had longer runs than he had but I understand putting the and keeping the belt on Cena. A) Cena isn't that fresh anymore. Taking the belt off him could mix things up a bit in the title picture. B) Shawn is perfect to drop the belt to cause he more deserving than anyon else on the raw brand. Yeah he's had it before, but he's been wrestling better than he has with years not being hhhs sidekick. I say let him run with it, plus it doesn't hurt Cenas character to drop it to Cena.
As for the fans, it was a hall of fame ceremony. There were no Cena marks there, just drunk 20 and 30 year olds letting Vince know, they are fucking tired of Cena wearing the strap. When he faced Umaga, no down the middle about it. But he's facing HBK he's more over than anyone and they'd be happ to see him with the belt than cena. If Vince is so high on this guy take the strap off him and get it that those drunk 20-30 year olds don't boo him next year. The 11 year olds and chicks who'll cheer for Cena no matter what and the chicks, they're the marks to me so that's why I think it makes sense to have HBK win, selfish reasons aside.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Apr 1, 2007 9:28:56 GMT -5
Who cares what the drunk 20-30 year olds think? Obviously they are not the ones buying Cena's shirts and everything else with his name on it. In case you forgot, NUMBER ONE MERCHANDISE SELLER IN THE COMPANY BY A LARGE MARGIN.
Everyone knows people boo Cena to be able to poke their friends and say, "hey, look at us, we're rebels!" Rebels are not who the product is catered to. Sorry, but HBK is a dinosaur who was involved in a corny 6th grade humor gimmick most of the year. He's had his time, like it or not right now is Cena's time.
I'll put it simply. Cena will be a superstar in the WWE in 10 years. HBK will be in a wheelchair, pretty much. His bumps will catch up to him. But, beyond that...when Cena has his own legacy (which, the way things are going will involve much more merchandise selling than HBK did, by himself and with DX) Mania 23 in front of 75,000 plus will be looked at as a HUGE moment in his career. In the DVD packages, in the HOF ceremony. And they will NOT have him lose this match to a guy who, quite frankly, had his time.
HBK could be a part of the main event for some time to come. He may even take that belt, I am not adverse to that either. HOWEVER, it wont be at Mania 23, in front of the biggest crowd Vince is playing to in decades. Cena IS HIS PRODUCT right now. Not HBK. You are a fool to suggest HBK win the match.
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Post by MSBNYY on Apr 1, 2007 9:50:40 GMT -5
You should be honored that the man himself gave Lawler his time. These people were in the presence of true greatness. Shatner can't be bothered by actually knowing details about the peons. He has bigger fish to fry.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Feb 19, 2008 9:12:02 GMT -5
Well deservedly the Nature Boy is this year's first elected member to the class of 2008. He is also the first "active" inductee as WWE waived the 5 year wait rule...LOL......
I guess he will only be "active" for the day after at WM..I really hope he stays around in some sort of non-wrestling role....advisor, manager, GM or something.........as it will be a sad day indeed when Naitch is no longer on the screen all together.....
Also, sorry Cactus but that was a lousy WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO from your boy HBK!!! LOL..but it was touching when he welled up a bit...
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Post by thecaptain15 on Feb 19, 2008 9:13:45 GMT -5
This is one of my favorite parts of the week leading up to WM as they reveal the inductees week by week....
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Post by cactusjames on Feb 19, 2008 12:49:04 GMT -5
Yeah but he admitted it woudn't be the best wooo ever, but yeah he really can't hit the pitch for the wooooo.
Great move by WWE, can't wait for Flair to go in. And if you thought Michaels welled up, wait for Flairs acceptance speech.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Feb 19, 2008 13:56:50 GMT -5
I just hope Vince does right by Naitch when he finally has to call it a career......
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Post by cactusjames on Feb 19, 2008 14:14:17 GMT -5
In my opinion they aren't. I would have kept him on smackdown, put Flair in the elimination chamber in place of Khali, have Flair win, go to Mania to face Edge, win number 17 and reitre without losing it. That would be insane, they could just do a tournament on smackdown and have Flair be like Marciano, retire as champ, a feat not many people can claim.
When hogan came back, he got the belt for month. When HBK came back, got the belt for a month. Flair was in Evolution for a while and then later held the IC strap for two months and only faced HHH. That's his tenure since being back for 8 years I think at this point. HBK and Hogan aren't even on the same level as Naitch so it's a fucking shame Flair never got shit. If anyone deserves it, it's him. To me it's fitting, it's a sign of class and respect on behalf of Vince and WWE, and it would get a huge fucking pop, be a Mania memory for fucking ever. But he's a fucking side show to Vince and Steph and they should both be shot. I mean so what, they waive the 5 year rule, he's retiring the next night. He deserves more in my opinion.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Feb 19, 2008 14:16:44 GMT -5
That is why I never mentioned him getting the belt, I could never see Vince actually doing something that would be right instead of concentrating on shoving Cena down our throats.................who knows, I wish he would prove me wrong....
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Post by $heriff Tom on Feb 19, 2008 14:24:42 GMT -5
Bottom line is Flair was not a Vince creation. I think they have been more than nice to Flair. There is no secret that Vince has wanted him to step aside for the longest time. He looks a mess, and they wanted him out of the ring. BUT they let him go and continue to work, and they treated him ok. They sure did a better job than Bischoff was doing for him in latter-day WCW.
Flair making a run for the gold, while a nice story that a selfish side of me would have enjoyed, is unrealistic. Vince does NOT want Edge, or especially Cena and the like losing to this guy nearing 60 with old-man boobs.
Its Vinces company, he owes Flair nothing. Flair has made hundreds upon hundreds of dollars in checks signed by Vince McMahon....THERE is his reward.
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Post by cactusjames on Feb 19, 2008 14:41:05 GMT -5
Ok fine, but would it have been so wrong when he first came back to WWE to give him the belt? Fucking Hogan got it, HBK too, for a meaningless month that meant nothing in the end. If they would have given him number 17 even in that way wouldn't be so bad.
I understand protecting Edge and Cena and especially at Mania. But anytime Flair's been given a title shot, for one thing it's been a ratings boost, I am 99.8% sure of that. Second, even the most dead crowd would be loud as hell cheering Flair anytime get got a title shot, it wouldn't have been bad for business.
In my opinion, as much as I love the kliq, it's Hunter. He's so obsessed with getting 17 like it will make him better than Flair, added on to the fact Vince won't give a nod of the cap just cause the guy made a name somewhere else? Vince and HHH are such egomaniacs in regards to this, it bugs me HHH raves and praises Flair yet him and Vince both don't get he's bigger than wrestling. No one in any age group can talk about best wrestlers of all time and not say Flairs above them all. And HHH says shit like in every interview etc. yet couldn't give Flair a month as a 17 time champ? Like two months of IC champ and some cage match ppv checks make up for that. You do the classy thing and give him the strap at some point, it's been like 8 years? Michaels got it two months after his comeback, Hogan a month. You're telling me in 8 years, Flair of all people doesn't deserve a month?
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Post by $heriff Tom on Feb 19, 2008 14:43:19 GMT -5
At this point? No, he does not. Plus even he admits he cant go too long these days, sorry but I dont need a guy who blows up in 7 minutes so his matches are kept short winning the belt. Flair USED to be the best there was around. He is no longer, he does not deserve the belt. I think this is being handled fine, and he still may get a classy sendoff.
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Post by cactusjames on Feb 19, 2008 15:01:22 GMT -5
I still say it's being treated like a sideshow, Big Show and Mayweater will go on later than Flairs match March 31st, and Show/Mayweather is the special attraction Mania match. All my point is, in the 7 or 8 years he's been back with the company, the ladder matches and cage matches, all of those were fine as opposed to one more reign? I can agree at this point, it would make little sense other than be a storybook sentimental ending to his carreer. But I can belive HBK and Hogan can all get a month as champ and not Flair. I mean at least HBK can still go in the ring, even after his WM match with Rock, hogan wasn't in great shape to say the least. He got the belt due to sheer popularity. A) I'd bet autographed HBK picture Flair would get the same reaction, if not bigger than hogan at Mania or as champ. B) Flair now, still is better in the ring than Hogan has ever been, even more so now and when Hogan has his little run and ppv championship paycheck. Flair might have a good bunch of ppv paychecks, but he doesn't have a championship match payoff, and I think in the time Flairs been back, one of those check wouldn't have been bad for business. Seriously Tom, WWE won't go under if Flair was given a month. Maybe not now, but if the other two ham'n'eggers I named got it, Flair was more than deserving.
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