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Post by MSBNYY on Aug 31, 2007 14:40:50 GMT -5
It's possible HHH detoxed while he was out. He does look noticeably smaller.
Of course it's also possible it wasn't their turns for being tested.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Aug 31, 2007 16:15:19 GMT -5
Guys, this was NOT a failed drug test. These were names that showed up on the list as buyers from an internet pharmacy site, which is a violation of the drug rules as present. Their names showed up as purchasing these drugs through 2005-2007, which falls within the window of punishment. HHH and Snitsky may simply get their drugs from somewhere else, or someone else makes the buy for them.
You really need to read the story and know what is going on.
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Post by cactusjames on Aug 31, 2007 19:20:14 GMT -5
Everytime Balls says something about wrestling, it shows how he knows nothing.
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Post by MSBNYY on Aug 31, 2007 22:02:34 GMT -5
Everytime James says something about ANYTHING, it shows how he knows nothing.
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Post by cactusjames on Sept 1, 2007 9:57:49 GMT -5
I know nothing? How about reading the story first before forming an opinion just to have one. There was nevera point when this was about drug testing, yet you claim it is. Either you can't read, or you don't care to and go by what you say as fact. I may know nothing, but at least I keep shit relevent, unlike you're brain farts. Maybe I'm just lazy, but it sucks having to scroll past your post and know nothing of sybstance will be involved in whatever rambling you shit onto this board. If I know one thing, it's that you're a retard.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 1, 2007 10:38:12 GMT -5
Ok, my posts have nothing of sybstance, but meanwhile, the point that was made, and you missed, was that the suspensions will NOT affect the WWE that badly. You've added nothing to this thread, other than taking a lame shot to impress Tom again.
Yawn.
And regarding the drug testing--they were suspended for violations of the wellness policy. What do you think they did, eat forbidden cookies? Ok, so maybe they didn't fail a piss test, but they were found to have been clients of known steroid distributors.
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Post by cactusjames on Sept 1, 2007 11:11:41 GMT -5
I don't care if Tom, Grover or Bob Hope laugh, I make myself laugh cause you are an easy target. Although, if Bob Hope laughed that would be cool since he's dead.
And you fucking dope, remember saying this, "Of course it's also possible it wasn't their turns for being tested. " Way to backtrack asshole, and for proving me right, as always, again. You don't grasp the details of this or any main points in all of this. You really sound dumb when you say shit like that, after clearly stating there was testing done on top of saying 30 days isn't that long. You really have your head up your ass. I'm not trying to get an attention, I just don't want assholes who don't get wrestling just say stupid shit whenever. It makes me do shit like this which hinders the conversation, although the intelligence of this thread was gone as soon as you said 30 days is nothing, so I don't feel bad running circles around you every time you think you know wrestling.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 1, 2007 11:27:02 GMT -5
Maybe I did miss that, but the point, you putz, is that all you brought to the table was yet another "let's try to insult MSB to suck off Tom and Grover" comment rather than anything else.
And if you don't want assholes who don't get wrestling to say stupid shit, don't talk.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 1, 2007 11:35:00 GMT -5
the point that was made, and you missed, was that the suspensions will NOT affect the WWE that badly
It already has, and we have not even seen how much work they will need to do on rewriting TV and changing planned angles. A whole house tour swing for later this month has been cancelled solely due to this, the stock is tumbling, and the bad publicity is a horrible thing. This will absolutely devestate the strength of the PPV card just over two weeks away, no doubt about it, costing buys.
Stop arguing just to argue.
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Post by grover on Sept 1, 2007 11:56:42 GMT -5
And if you can present a case where the talent you think can fill the void is not Snitsky and Matt Striker, please do so. If not, then stop. People don't want to shell out $50+ for a ticket to see Cena fight Eugene.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 1, 2007 12:02:41 GMT -5
Again, it's a month, not an eternity. And people will pay $50 to see Cena fight Duggan if necessary. Notice how Mysterio is now the top contender, like I said. The WWE are losing 5 top names, and gaining back 2.
Cena doesn't have to fight Eugene. He can fight HHH.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 1, 2007 14:21:49 GMT -5
Newsday is reporting that WWE has suspended another wrestler for the same reason as the 10 wrestlers that were suspended on Thursday. The article also states that 10 of the wrestlers have been suspended for 30 days and that 1 wrestler received a 60 days suspension due to it being his second violation.
Also, another WWE emply, Mike Bucci (the former Simon Dean) who was currently working in talent relations, has been fired after his name appeared on these lists.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 1, 2007 14:40:47 GMT -5
I thought there were "additional wrestlers" after the ten anyway, so this isn't a big shock. As for Simon Dean, he hasn't been on TV in a long time and even when he was, he wasn't more than a low to mid card guy. Easy to make an example out of him.
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Post by cactusjames on Sept 1, 2007 15:07:49 GMT -5
Balls who else would they throw in but Mysterio right now? Even if the list didn't come out, why not put him in there? It isn't a shocker he's in the mix since the Khali Batista thing is a train wreck. If this thing was such an easy fix like you make it out to be, you could have said Finlay instead of Striker or Duggan. You're not even being realistic. You're right, it isn't an eternity, but like Grover pointed out, feuds angles etc are being reworked or rewritten for THREE SHOWS, the possibility some mid card/main event guys will be gone for up to two ppvs isn't a quick fix. For someone to not know the story behind this, or the current product on all the shows, how can you say do this or that so matter of factly? Striker? Seriously, Striker is the first name you think of? Who wants to suck who off? You're talking crazy.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 1, 2007 17:51:03 GMT -5
Striker was a good friend of a friend, I drank with him, and love the guy. But the WWE thinks so much of him THEY HAVE TAKEN HIM OUT OF THE RING and made him someone else's handler.
Lets stop the argument and stick with the other aspects of this story. Its OBVIOUS this is a big problem for the fed, there is no speaking against that. Considering Kennedy is probably suspended while being the probable "illegitamate child" and that the ECW champ is probably suspended, and the #1 contender to John Cena's belt, and the #1 or 2 guy on Smackdown, and the Raw commish are ALL GONE AT THE SAME TIME - there is no way its not a loss.
Balls, shut the fuck up already and let the rest of us talk in here.
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Post by grover on Sept 1, 2007 19:35:01 GMT -5
Yeah Balls, just because you would dress some wrestlers like the Banana Splits and throw them in the main event doesn't mean it would work.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 2, 2007 9:14:23 GMT -5
James--it's only a month. It's not like there has been some mass retirement or the WWE plane went down.
And there are really only 5 big time wrestlers on this list--spread over 3 shows. Smackdown and ECW got off easy.
Raw lost 3 big names in Kennedy, Orton, and Booker. They have HHH to replace one of those names. They'll improvise with the other midcarders for 4 weeks.
Stop acting like this is the worst thing in WWE history. It's 4 weeks.
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Post by Ms. Jericho on Sept 2, 2007 9:39:43 GMT -5
It is 11 now. From what I've heard ten of them will be suspended for 30 days and only one for 60.
And yeah this isn't the results of drug testing. It is based on a list of people who bought from a certain company. A company also used by Benoit and Guerrero. Not being on the list doesn't mean you don't use. It's that you are smart enough to get them elsewhere OR not put them in your name.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 2, 2007 9:42:23 GMT -5
Well, apparently cause Balls does not understand the story, or will bother reading up on it, here is a little 101 from the observer...
For the frequent questions about how can so-and-so not be on the list of guys suspended. None of these suspensions have anything to do with drug testing. They are simply wrestlers who purchased steroids (or in two cases Growth Hormone) from one specific pharmacy through the Internet. Many wrestlers continued to receive steroids through their home doctor, or from other wrestlers who have a source. People asking why, say, Bobby Lashley wasn't listed, it's because he was not a customer from this pharmacy. Asking why no women were listed is because the women obviously had different sources or were clean. It is also openly talked about that the rich guys are taking things you can't detect in a test, and make sure to not leave a paper trail. The key guys if they are using go to great lengths not to be caught because they are the key guys. A guy making $150,000 a year doesn't have the ability to pay for designer drugs, nor have assistants on payroll to make sure nobody can trace things (similar to Barry Bonds, whose purchases have never been able to be proven).
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Post by cactusjames on Sept 2, 2007 9:42:43 GMT -5
I will when you stop acting like it's no big deal. You wouldn't know how to book or run one of the three shows so stop making it seem cut and dry what has to be done. Name one other time so many top nams were getting taken off the road for only 4 weeks.
Back to the real discussion, wwe needs to decide if they are going to scrap the ideas and start fresh for a month, or bridge the gap sort of like they are with Rey and Batista. Now with Kennedy gone, the McMaho family all on raw on monday concerning the bastard kid, raw is in some trouble. Also with Booker and Orton gone, Cena either feuds with Umaga or HHH, again. I actually think Smackdown will have the easiest time getting through the 30-60 days stretch. Especially when Taker comes back. Ecw will be rough cause Morrison is jobbing to punk on tuesday, who will then feud with Big Daddy V. Not great but could be worse. I'd like to see them start Elijah Burkes push agaun, it's been off and on for like two months. It will be cool though to see who step[s up and makes the best of their extra tv time now.
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Post by Ms. Jericho on Sept 2, 2007 14:33:10 GMT -5
Orton may not be gone. Tom said he wreslted in a house show last night. However, I heard he was one of those suspended so we shall have to wait and see. Sucks if he is because I also heard he was supposed to win the belt at Unforgiven. Rumor also has it that the 60 days suspension is Regal. I also heard that Mr. McMahon was supposed to announce the name of his bastard kid on September 10th in........ GREEN BAY, WISCONSIN!!!
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 2, 2007 16:17:07 GMT -5
It IS no big deal James. It would be if there was a significant amount of time, but 4 weeks is nothing.
It's a big deal in that big names got hit with a scandal, but in terms of plot and stories, it's a temporary setback.
I agree Smackdown and ECW will have the easiest time since they have the least amount of big names getting hit.
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Post by grover on Sept 2, 2007 16:52:04 GMT -5
Yeah, ECW, who's ratings have been going down as is, will have an easy time. Oh this is so not a big deal! All they need to do is dress Snitsky up like Buck Rogers and have Lashley pretend he's Maxwell Smart and no one will miss a beat!
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 2, 2007 18:46:33 GMT -5
ECW lost ONE guy. They can handle it for a month.
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Post by grover on Sept 2, 2007 19:04:43 GMT -5
Yeah, and it happens to be the only interesting person on the show.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 2, 2007 19:07:43 GMT -5
If that's true, then ECW has far bigger problems than one suspension.
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Post by grover on Sept 2, 2007 19:35:58 GMT -5
Uh, yeah, that's why we're saying the suspensions hurt.
"If thats true"? You would know if you watched more than 20 minutes of wrestling each week.
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Post by MSBNYY on Sept 2, 2007 19:57:22 GMT -5
You're talking straight ECW, which is clearly something I don't deem worth watching at all. I've only seen CM Punk when he's on Raw.
But Morrison is one guy, who hasn't been on ECW that long. One suspension isn't going to hurt them--not for just 30 days. If it sucks that badly with him, it's not going to matter because his angles aren't exactly taking the full 60 minutes--are they?
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Post by cactusjames on Sept 2, 2007 20:03:17 GMT -5
First Marcsucksturds, I never said easy, I said easier, guys like Big Daddy V, Miz/Balls/Kelly love triangle, all will get more tv time. If you think taking the champ of one show, and writing him out for 4 weeks or 8 weeks is no big deal, you're really clueless.
Smackdown will rely on Rey/Khali, MVP/Hardy, and fucking Teddy Long and Kristals wedding. And of course Finlay carrying the load for the wrestling. Losing Batista, real fucking easy right douche? Their only saving grace is the returning Taker to feud with Henry, it was one thing to lose Edge, now Batista too? Yeah, real fucking easy to get 4 weeks by without him. Stop going by TV too moron, house shows are imprtant too, and a lot of talent will be missing from those as well.
As for Orton, I read Chavo wrestled this weekend too, who knows what will happen, it will all play out this week. I'm pretty sure if anything this last weekends tapings were the last for whoever is being suspended for 30 or 60 days.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Sept 2, 2007 20:51:52 GMT -5
James, you seem to be missing some things said in this thread, and letting others go over your head.
First off, Batista, from most signs, seems to be skating free here. The belief is that he is NOT suspended, and they have even added him to the Smackdown main event on Vengeance. So, for now, stop talking about him like he is gone.
Secondly, Chavo wrestled yes - did you see to what point? He lost an "I Quit" match. They are probably writing him off for now. Morrison wrestled TOO....to drop his belt. Some stories will be wrapped up in a bow and guys sent on their way...wrestling this weekend is not a sign that they are skating free.
Orton wrestled a HOUSE SHOW where other names rumored to be out - Kennedy and Umaga, for two, were not on the show as advertised. They were pulled. Do the math. Umaga is only wrestling on Raw to drop his belt...again, do the math. Orton DID appear - he is probably not suspended. Booker was another advertised and not on the show, and another on the list who is probably suspended.
James, in all due respect, it seems you are bungling who is out, and who is apparently not.
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