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Post by $heriff Tom on Feb 4, 2008 8:33:49 GMT -5
That over the head money catch was the game right there.
Well, congrats to the Giants. I am a Skins fan so I dont really share the joy, but I certainly was not looking for a Patriots win either. Good for all you Giants fans, including my wife. Enjoy it.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 4, 2008 8:51:46 GMT -5
I don't really get why you're a Redskins fan, though given that the Redskins won the Super Bowl the year after the Giants did twice, you have something to think about.
It was phenomenal. I did a long blog on it this morning over on MySpace. John Mara called this the best victory in franchise history. Can't say I would go that far, though I can understand the sentiment. Super Bowl XXV is my favorite, but this was just unbelievable more for the opponent than anything else.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Feb 4, 2008 8:53:43 GMT -5
Well, I grew up hating the Jets and Giants. That simple, for whatever reasons. When I was a wee one the Skins were one of the dominant powers. If you want to accuse a preteen of jumping on a bandwagon, by all means. To my credit I have stuck with them through thick and thin, and some lean times. That simple.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 4, 2008 9:17:25 GMT -5
Would you consider yourself a diehard? Or someone that roots, but doesn't have the same intensity as you do for baseball?
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Post by $heriff Tom on Feb 4, 2008 9:24:13 GMT -5
I'm a good enough fan. Spend a lot of time on the Skins sites, snarl and curse a bit. But if you think my fanitude approaches that of the Yankees, or the Islanders for that matter, no way. But that goes back to football - in terms of preferences I would rather watch a baseball game, followed by a hockey game. Stands to reason that a sport I am simply a middling fan of would see me be, at best, a middling fan of my favorite pigskin team.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 4, 2008 9:42:06 GMT -5
Makes sense. Not too different than me and the Giants.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Feb 4, 2008 10:30:02 GMT -5
I'm the same way with my Dolphins and Giants.
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Post by Chris on Feb 4, 2008 12:22:45 GMT -5
Best part of this win for me thus far....Dan Patrick had a radio host from New England who reported that the number one thing people are calling in to sports talk radio this morning to say:
"Pitchers and Catchers in 10 days!"
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Post by Chris on Feb 4, 2008 12:26:42 GMT -5
You should take a great deal of enjoyment out of last nights win Tom???
Say hello to the Redskins new head coach - Steve Spagnuolo.
Why the hell are you a Redskins fan? Everyone who is a fan of a team from somewhere other than where they live or were born, has a story...what's yours?
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Post by cactusjames on Feb 4, 2008 13:28:13 GMT -5
Heuy congrats to the Giants. Fucking great win for a football fan like me, I'm just happy it was a good game the entire 60 minutes. One question though, why is a team from Jersey getting the same parade route as the Yanks and Rangers? Keep them in fucking jersey and give them the Devils route. I'm not even trying to be a dick, but they aren't a NY team, I wouldn't expect the Bills to get a parade down Battery Park.
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Post by Chris on Feb 4, 2008 13:34:41 GMT -5
The Giants and Jets get too much shit for playing in Jersey.
Who DOES play in the city they are named after?
The Pistons play in cushie suburb, they're not from Detroit. The Lakers and Kings played in Inglewood for years. The LA Rams played in Anaheim forever.
They play in the greater NYC metropolitan area....good enough, I say.
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Post by IronHorse4 on Feb 4, 2008 13:46:16 GMT -5
Spoken like a true non-New Yorker (or one that hasn't been around in years).
New Jersey is not New York. Period.
When people live in the suburbs of L.A. and tell out-of-staters where they live, they generally say they live in L.A. Jackass grew up in Hawthorne (I think), but when he originally told me where he grew up, he said he grew up in "L.A."
Another buddy of mine grew up in Orange County. When he first told me where he grew up, he said "L.A."
I work with a guy here that grew up in Teaneck. When he tells people where he grew up, he says "Jersey."
'Nuff said.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Feb 4, 2008 14:19:39 GMT -5
Why the hell are you a Redskins fan? Everyone who is a fan of a team from somewhere other than where they live or were born, has a story...what's yours?
I already covered this somewhere on the board today. Quite frankly I grew up hating the Giants and the Jets, and at the time of my childhood the Skins were one of the dominant factions. I hopped bandwagon, which is excusable for a kid, and stayed on for the ride even through the lean years.
At the end of the day football is not nearly as important to me as baseball and hockey, and its like tied with racing. I dont live or die with any team, or any game in football. But I prefer the Skins, and root em on.
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Post by Chris on Feb 4, 2008 14:27:25 GMT -5
I totally understand that Justin. I really do. I haven't been around in years, but I spent long enough living IN New York (Levittown, Queens, and White Plains are the places I've inhabited for significant stretches in both childhood and adulthood) to understand the distinctions between living in Jersey and living in NY.
I get that there's some resentment about either team playing in Jersey, but it's not like they have no roots as New York sports franchises, right? For all intents and purposes both the Jets and Giants are a NY sports franchises and globally are identified with NY much more than they are with Jersey. Even though it's a different state, geographically speaking I don't think this is as misleading as the Angels or Rams calling themselves a Los Angeles sports franchise. Anaheim is not part of the greater Los Angeles area. And to your example, I don't know anyone from Orange County that would knowingly claim LA...there is a definitely hoity-toity-ness that comes from OCers when in regards to LA. The only time I've ever claimed LA is when people not familiar with Huntington Beach need further explanation that it's "close to LA."
Not only that, but at least the Jets are moving to Manhattan...aren't they?
But I hear ya, because I do recognize that there is some definitely rivalry between Jersey and NY....actually not so much a rivalry, but an inferiority complex on the part of Jersians who will look to take a jab at NY any chance they get. I guess living out here I wouldn't really know but I just never thought that the locale of Giants Stadium was that much of a thorn in the side of NYers.
Jackass may claim LA, but to me he'll always be South Bay scum!! HAHAHA..kidding Jackass...about YOU, not about South Bay being scum! HAHA!
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Post by Chris on Feb 4, 2008 14:30:33 GMT -5
That's a very good point Tom. Bandwagoning is acceptable for kids, and in fact can become admirable if you stay on that wagon through adulthood.
I remember as a kid, EVERYONE owned the aqua blue and orange 32 jersey...including me, and for a second there I fancied myself a Dolphins fan, but that didn't last much longer than me growing out of the shirt.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Feb 4, 2008 14:33:28 GMT -5
Some could say I bandwagoned my way into being a Yankee fan, as my entire family above were Met fans. And the Yankees were playing top notch ball when I was heading towards my 10th birthday. But that was a total case of sticking with a team. The years I started heading out to the Stadium myself were quite lean indeed.
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Post by Chris on Feb 4, 2008 14:40:09 GMT -5
Based on my own personal definition...as an impressionable child you can not be categorized as a "bandwagoner" if you are:
a) a resident of the state or approximate surrounding geographical area of a team b) born in the state or approximate surrounding geographical area of a team and took your love for a team with you in your travels. c) inherited a love for a team from a close-relative who themselves qualify as a non-bandwagoner under provisions a, b, or c.
One qualification that NEVER cuts it for me: "Oh, I'm Cubs fan.....well, yeah I'm from Ogden Utah, but in little league I played for the Cubs."
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Post by Chris on Feb 4, 2008 14:48:07 GMT -5
OK, so here's a little debate I'm having with a few Charger fans in the office (we have a large contingent of San Diegans who make the arduous commute to Newport Beach).
My claim is that Eli Manning just showed you why you should still be bitter and insulted that he didn't want to play for you.
Their contention is basically that they couldn't give a shit about Eli, they have Phillip Rivers and actually view the Manning boycott as a blessing. I'm not sure how the draft picks all eventually panned out, but could the Bolts still have LT, Gates, and some of their other standouts if Manning had signed with them?
What say you all?
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 4, 2008 14:59:09 GMT -5
My definition of a bandwagoner is a little different. To not be a bandwagoner you need the following:
Once you choose a team, you cannot switch loyalties even in hard times. You choose a team, they are yours for life. If you decide to switch teams, you are a bandwagoner.
Not all fans are die hards, but not all non-die hards are bandwagoners.
One team. You only get one team. None of this, "I have an AFC, NFC, Eastern, Western, Canadian, & Egyptian" team crap.
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Post by cactusjames on Feb 4, 2008 15:05:17 GMT -5
First, the chargers are kicking themselves. Is Rivers good? Yes. And they got a solid team. But Eli showed his worth the past 5 or 6 games. San Diego should feel robbed.
As for me, I was 6 and 7 watching the Boys win titles, and I've stuck with them through the Ryan Leaf and Quincy Carter days. And when the Giants hosed Dallas, I was devastaed. Was I a band wagon? Yes. But After rooting for a team for almost 20 years, I am free from the bandwagon stigma.
And Jersey is nothing like NY. As a Ranger and Knick fan, I hate the Nets and Devils. And they never had a parade through midtown when they won NBA titles and Stanley Cups. A fucking team, who plays in the swamp of Jersey, should not get a NY city parade. I dont give a fuck if they paint NY on their helmets, they play in the same stadium as the Jets, in Jersey and both claim NY. I'm happy people are happy they got a win, but fuck they aren't a NY team. When they played in the stadium, NEW YORK GIANTS. Now, in the Meadowlands, JERSEY.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Feb 4, 2008 15:05:55 GMT -5
Based on my own personal definition...as an impressionable child you can not be categorized as a "bandwagoner" if you are: a) a resident of the state or approximate surrounding geographical area of a team b) born in the state or approximate surrounding geographical area of a team and took your love for a team with you in your travels. c) inherited a love for a team from a close-relative who themselves qualify as a non-bandwagoner under provisions a, b, or c. One qualification that NEVER cuts it for me: "Oh, I'm Cubs fan.....well, yeah I'm from Ogden Utah, but in little league I played for the Cubs." dude, you say impressionable child, then piss on the guy who played little league for the cubs. That's an oxymoron.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Feb 4, 2008 15:07:00 GMT -5
Spoken like a true non-New Yorker (or one that hasn't been around in years). New Jersey is not New York. Period. When people live in the suburbs of L.A. and tell out-of-staters where they live, they generally say they live in L.A. Jackass grew up in Hawthorne (I think), but when he originally told me where he grew up, he said he grew up in "L.A." Another buddy of mine grew up in Orange County. When he first told me where he grew up, he said "L.A." I work with a guy here that grew up in Teaneck. When he tells people where he grew up, he says "Jersey." 'Nuff said. The other problem is, that if I started telling everyone I meet here in Fl, I'm from Metuchen, they'd be like where the hell is that. it's easier to just say jersey.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 4, 2008 15:12:31 GMT -5
James, I think it's safe to say that at 6 or 7, it's ok to bandwagon. The fact that you are still a Cowboys fan now pretty much frees you of any bandwagoner title. No issue. No question.
The Giants are the NY Giants. They never stopped calling themselves that. It IS like the LA Rams playing in Anaheim. They never called themselves the Anaheim Rams.
The Devils and Nets call themselves the NJ Devils and NJ Nets. They are very much NJ teams.
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Post by Chris on Feb 4, 2008 15:20:01 GMT -5
I agree with that Balls...you just can't switch.
But there's still a problem with latching on to a team, in adulthood, just because they won...even if you stick with it.
I mean, if one was 23 years old when living in Orange County California, and decided in 2004 that they were a Red Sox fan (and believe me, there are plenty of douchebags that fit that bill around these parts), regardless of how long he sticks with the Sox, he's still and bandwagoner.
My own feeling is that most "real" fans (as you said, not necessarily die-hards, but non-wavering) have some long-standing connection with a team dating back to childhood. I'll even go as far as to say that if you don't have a childhood connection to a team, or at least the game, you don't really have as deep an appreciation and you don't really gain the full-blown experience of being a dedicated fan that those of us who fell in love with a sports team as children did.
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Post by Chris on Feb 4, 2008 15:27:38 GMT -5
"It IS like the LA Rams playing in Anaheim. They never called themselves the Anaheim Rams." No, it's not.
The distance in mileage between East Rutherford and Manhattan is much shorter, but the driving point is that it's acceptable to include East Rutherford as part of the greater NYC metropolitan area.
L.A. and Anaheim (in the heart of Orange County) are miles apart both geographically and culturally. The Rams SHOULD have changed their name, and believe me Angelenos then and now had no great love for the Rams, and OC residents have no great love for the city of LA. Just like with the Angels, Anaheim sports teams bearing the "Los Angeles" name is as offensive to Angelenos as it is to OC residents.
Angelenos would say, "The Angels/Rams don't represent US!" Orange County fans would say, "We're NOT part of LA!"
It's a WORLD of difference, Balls.
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Post by IronHorse4 on Feb 4, 2008 16:16:59 GMT -5
Yeah, but the point is, you wouldn't tell people you're from New York, even though you could hop on the Outerbridge and technically be in NYC in minutes (hours, with traffic).
That's where the difference lies. And that difference caused thousands of people to drop their Jets tickets upon their move to Jersey, even though Shea and the Meadowlands are a whole 25 or so miles apart.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Feb 4, 2008 16:21:31 GMT -5
True, I've never said I'm from NY.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 4, 2008 20:43:25 GMT -5
I suppose someone in LA latching on to Boston in 2004 at age 23 would be a frontrunner, no matter what--even if they never followed baseball.
It might be different if someone from Boston, who never followed baseball, started in 2004. They would be a frontrunner today, but if in 20 years, they stick with the team through good and bad, they could lose the frontrunner status.
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Post by cactusjames on Feb 4, 2008 21:07:17 GMT -5
Another thing I go to when thinking loyalties to a team is the differences. When my friends tell me I should be an Isles fan since I live on Long Island my defense is I hate LI first and foremost. You can do more shit on one block in the city than in one town on LI. But another thing I say is MSG. I love the Knicks(not to the point I lose sleep when they win 20 game per), I can see rooting aganst the Rangers(I'm indifferent to the liberty, who cares really).
So when thinking of that compared to the football teams, I go to the sme logic. When I go to Six Flags, I don't say I'm going to the city. I say I go to Jersey to go to 6 flags. When I went to Summerslam 97, I didn't take a three hour ride into the city, I went to Jersey where the Devils play. So how is it that two teams who play in the same stadium minutes away from where the Devils and Nets play can be called New York team? Again, if the Bills weren't the biggest chokes ever and got a rung in those years, their parade will be in midtown? No, it would be upstate. They should have the same route the Nets and Devils had. Geographically it's clear as day. And I'm not calling into question people on LI and NYC who love the Giants and enjoyed last nights win. But the Giants and Jets don't play in NY, just paint in on their helmets. I don't see how they represent NY either. Again, when the Giants played at Yankee Stadium, NY team. I get the fans root for them, there is no one else. But Jersey and NY are different and the Giants are NOT new york.
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Post by MSBNYY on Feb 4, 2008 21:17:05 GMT -5
Geographically, they may be a NY STATE team, but the Bills are not even close to a NYC team. The Giants still call themselves a NY team. They are a NY team.
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