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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 27, 2008 5:46:25 GMT -5
That's an understatement. Should be over tonight.
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Post by 9 on Oct 27, 2008 7:11:27 GMT -5
It's never a good sign when the opposing pitcher drills his first career HR against you. The Phils are set up great -- their best pitcher at home in game five.
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 27, 2008 7:24:32 GMT -5
The sooner this ends, the sooner free agency and trades begin.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Oct 27, 2008 8:20:56 GMT -5
Let the Yankee spending spree begin!
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 27, 2008 8:25:41 GMT -5
As long as it's spent right. Don't waste money on losers like Giambi or Pavano. Problem is, I'm not really thrilled about any of the top free agents.
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Post by Chris on Oct 27, 2008 11:58:06 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind Pavano back at a bargain (I mean seriously....a bargain....not a "YANKEE BARGAIN") rate
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 27, 2008 12:00:54 GMT -5
There is no bargain for Pavano. Not even for free. He's not even good when he's healthy--and he's never healthy. Some people should just be cut off.
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Post by 9 on Oct 27, 2008 12:00:55 GMT -5
Fuck Pavano. I wouldn't take him back for the MLB minimum.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Oct 27, 2008 21:11:27 GMT -5
if the Phillies win the WS, are the Yankees better than they are?
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 28, 2008 7:37:28 GMT -5
Is there some sort of rule determining how long a rain delay can last? I know there's a curfew where no inning can start after a certain point, but if a game is not over by curfew, is it suspended, or called (assuming it's not tied)?
For example, let's say that TB didn't score that run to tie it. Let's assume that Selig didn't want the WS to end on a rain shortened win.
And of course, let's have that rain delay that didn't let up.
Couldn't Selig just suspend the game anyway? Or would he be FORCED to call it and hand Philly the title?
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Post by 9 on Oct 28, 2008 8:42:20 GMT -5
The other thing my roommate and I were talking about last night: What if Tampa had taken a 3-2 lead, then Philly never finished the bottom of the sixth? According to the normal MLB rules, Tampa's runs get wiped out and it reverts back to the score at the end of five, 2-1 Philly. That would have been a hell of a way to end a World Series.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Oct 28, 2008 10:20:42 GMT -5
not really, because the Phillies were there because of Geography, the Series is tainted already.
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 28, 2008 11:14:37 GMT -5
Um, the Phillies had the second best record in the NL. Do you really not understand the geography argument, or are you just completely misusing it to make a point that absolutely does not apply to this World Series?
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Post by Chris on Oct 28, 2008 11:34:35 GMT -5
Why don't they just let ONLY THE YANKEES play out their seasons in the AL East, but then switch them to whatever division would put them in a playoff spot on the last day of the season.
Would that be fair?
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 28, 2008 11:55:03 GMT -5
OR, they could just take the top 4 teams based on RECORD, and allow merit to determine who makes the playoffs rather than geography.
But then again, we could just pick teams out of a hat and let the regular season be meaningless. That way, everyone has an equal shot! Would that be more your speed?
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Post by yanxchick on Oct 28, 2008 13:35:22 GMT -5
The game would have finished in nine innings. It didn't matter how long that was going to take. It could have been days, but it would have played through nine innings, no matter what the score was.
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 28, 2008 14:29:52 GMT -5
So there is no rule as to how long a game can be suspended.
Is there a rule that says that a rain game HAS to be called if it's not a tie? Could MLB decide to continue a game without calling it?
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Post by Jason Giambi on Oct 28, 2008 14:38:25 GMT -5
Um, the Phillies had the second best record in the NL. Do you really not understand the geography argument, or are you just completely misusing it to make a point that absolutely does not apply to this World Series? They wouldn't have won the division had they played in the central. The wildcard, which alleviates your concerns about geography shouldn't come into play either. As for Rain delays and the like, I believe Selig has final say on all that hulabaloo.
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 28, 2008 14:42:26 GMT -5
Again, you're missing the point. There are 4 teams that make the playoffs. They should be based on the top 4 records in the league. The Phillies had the second best record in the NL. Division or not, they deserved to be in the playoffs. There is no argument that would say otherwise, unless they go back to the old system where only one team moves on and goes straight to the World Series.
The DODGERS only got there because of geography. In a system that allows 4 teams to move on, the Dodgers had the 5th best record, yet despite not earning a spot, they were granted one solely because of where they play.
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Post by thecaptain15 on Oct 28, 2008 15:00:28 GMT -5
I think everyboday usually misses Balls' points.....
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Post by Jason Giambi on Oct 28, 2008 15:08:30 GMT -5
Lol.
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 28, 2008 16:31:16 GMT -5
The geography point is not that hard to grasp--at least that's what I thought.
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Post by grover on Oct 29, 2008 2:00:40 GMT -5
Oh we grasp it. You're not grasping that we think it's a stupid argument, and like things the way they are.
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 29, 2008 5:47:02 GMT -5
Clearly, not all of you are grasping it, or it would have not come up in the context of this World Series, where the Phillies have the second best record in the NL. Under no circumstances would the team with the second best record in the league be left out of any playoff situation. Under baseball's stupid rules, the teams with the 3rd and 4th best records could in theory be left out in favor of the teams with the 5th and 6th best record, but that couldn't happen with teams 1-2, and the Phillies were team 2.
The geography argument has nothing to do with this World Series so to try to work it in and then follow through with an attempt to explain it shows a complete lack of understanding of it.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Oct 29, 2008 7:28:35 GMT -5
Balls is a retard. If the Yankees had finished last in their division he would not even be talking about the geography argument. He's just trying to find a way to sneak the Yankees into the playoffs.
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 29, 2008 7:34:50 GMT -5
Tom is a moron. If he had any brain cells left, he would remember I was making this argument when the Yanks were in the playoffs. It has nothing to do with the Yankees. And it also has nothing to do with this World Series.
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Post by Jason Giambi on Oct 29, 2008 8:28:53 GMT -5
well being that the Yankees were allegedly a better team than the Mets, and the Phillies are a better team than the Mets, who would be the better team, the Phillies playing in a weak division or the Yankees playing in a harder division?
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 29, 2008 9:00:17 GMT -5
First, the Yankees ARE better than the Mets. No allegedly. Second, I'm assuming we're talking about the Yankees as they were in 2008, with an underachieving and injury ravaged lineup. I couldn't answer the question because there aren't common opponents. I do think the Yanks would have been 5-10 games better in the weaker league and probably would have had a better record than the Phillies. But I can't say what would happen in a short series. I don't think the Yanks could touch Hamels and would lose a 5 game series. They would have a better shot in a 7 game series. But you just can't tell.
The Yankees were not better than the Devil Rays, but they beat them head to head 11 games to 7.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Oct 29, 2008 9:06:40 GMT -5
The Yankees were not better than the Devil Rays, but they beat them head to head 11 games to 7.
So what? The last place Devil Rays made sport of kicking the Yankees ass head to head for years.
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Post by MSBNYY on Oct 29, 2008 9:26:51 GMT -5
Which is why I said that the Rays were better than the Yanks this year in spite of that. It's what you do over a full season that matters most. Any MLB team can win games against any other one on any given night. Hell, the Royals SWEPT the Yanks this year. They were not better.
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