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Post by Jason Giambi on Nov 17, 2009 21:50:24 GMT -5
i was chuckling at that as well.
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Post by 9 on Nov 17, 2009 22:37:32 GMT -5
Possibly Pops' finest work.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 18, 2009 8:30:05 GMT -5
So yesterday Facebook legend - and idiot - Lucy Smorto came up with THE dumbest argument against Greinke winning the CY you could ever find. I mean, ever. Her point? KC was SO BAD a team that teams "sleepwalk through games with them" - thus artificially boosting his numbers. In fact, she may be the only one who believes Greinke would be WORSE with a winning team like New York. Im shocked and appalled, stunned and sick. The guy wins and pitches so well cause his team is so bad, that people dont play them hard?  Some Yankee fans bite bone. |
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Post by yankeegirl49 on Nov 18, 2009 8:36:51 GMT -5
Not "some" Tom...A LOT!!
Lucy is a moron and I need to refrain from commenting.
Mauer is MVP, Greinke is Cy Young. The others deserve to be in the conversation, but there is nothing wrong with those choices whatsoever, both are well deserved.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 18, 2009 8:49:01 GMT -5
With Cy Young, the ONLY person that deserved to be in the conversation with Greinke, at least in 2009 is Felix Hernandez.
IP and ERA really should be the factors in Cy Young voting. In a year where there are starters that are posting ERAs under 3.00, no reliever should even be in the conversation.
Likewise, no 200 IP starter with an ERA over 3.00 should be ahead of a 200 IP starter with an ERA under 3.00.
There is NO argument for CC. He finished 4th--exactly where he should have finished. The closest thing to an injustice would be Justin Verlander finishing third and Roy Halladay finishing 5th, but that's small potatoes.
LOL@Lucy Smorto.
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Post by yankeegirl49 on Nov 18, 2009 10:03:27 GMT -5
Lucy is also the same person that after game one of the WS said "Cliff Lee was not that good, the Yanks made him look good". My reply was "yes, and Mariano is not that good either, the 29 other teams just make him look good".
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 18, 2009 11:16:02 GMT -5
I decided to post on her comments and declare CC was the 4th best pitcher in the AL.
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Post by Lindsey on Nov 18, 2009 11:49:01 GMT -5
If there's anything working in the industry has taught me, is that 95% of sports fans are complete morons.
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Post by jwmcc on Nov 18, 2009 12:26:31 GMT -5
and 95% of the people who work in the sports industry are also morons..
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Post by Lindsey on Nov 18, 2009 12:58:33 GMT -5
I've had a good run with the people at BA, though folks outside of that bubble, I can't speak for.
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Post by Chris on Nov 18, 2009 13:02:48 GMT -5
Greinke went 7-3 with a sub 2.00 ERA against AL teams with 85+ wins. Cy Young justified.
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Post by $heriff Tom on Nov 18, 2009 17:10:26 GMT -5
But Cho, this Lucy Smorto character said thats cause those winning teams were so bored playing KC, that he came in with an advantage.
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Post by 9 on Nov 18, 2009 19:15:48 GMT -5
She is not the sharpest tool in the shed. I mean, I love the Yankees, too, but some of the stuff that comes off her keyboard ...  |
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Post by yankeegirl49 on Nov 23, 2009 12:27:19 GMT -5
I am looking forward to reading all the moronic comments after Mauer wins the MVP this afternoon.
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Post by Chris on Nov 23, 2009 13:09:12 GMT -5
How would a guy who hit .365 NOT win the MVP on a team that fought tooth and nail to go to the playoffs.
Not only is he just the best contact hitter in baseball, he has power....and he clearly fulfills the "most valuable to HIS TEAM" criteria.
If Tex beat Mauer, it would be a travesty.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 23, 2009 13:15:30 GMT -5
No it wouldn't, since he was better than Mauer. The Twins were an 87 win team that didn't played .533 ball with Mauer, and .520 ball without. There's actually a nice chunk of data since Mauer missed 25 games, or about 15 percent of the season.
Mauer's going to win, but to deny the kind of year Tex has, or to even try to argue that he wasn't deserving too--THAT is moronic.
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Post by Chris on Nov 23, 2009 13:23:31 GMT -5
The Twins are a mediocre team. Without Mauer's 500 or so ABs, they don't sniff the playoffs...at all. No brainer - Mauer MVP.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 23, 2009 13:28:05 GMT -5
The Twins were a mediocre team with or without Mauer. Just because the playoff system is designed to bring crappy teams into the playoffs doesn't make Mauer more valuable than Tex.
And the whole "valuable" part of MVP is garbage anyway, since players on last place teams (see ARod), have won MVPs.
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Post by Chris on Nov 23, 2009 13:30:11 GMT -5
Balls, you think a great player on a star-studded team with a host of other great players is more VALUABLE than a great player on a sub-par team who just pushed them into the playoff picture?
I'm talking VALUE here, not who is a better player.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 23, 2009 13:58:33 GMT -5
Yes I do. You really think that the best team in baseball can't produce the MVP? Or should be punished because they have more than one great player?
The Yankees compete in a MUCH tougher division than the Twins. They have a MUCH tougher schedule than the Twins. And they won 103 games. Tex, in his first year with the team, was instrumental in the Yankees having 14 more wins than the prior year. That glove saves infielders errors, and pitchers runs.
The Twins meanwhile, only made the playoffs because they play in a weak division, and due to geography. Texas was one game better than them and also had a tougher schedule. Geography had more to do with the Twins making the playoffs than Joe Mauer.
In the AL East, they finish at best, 4th, and it would be a struggle with the Blue Jays to even finish that high.
Again, Mauer missed 15 percent of the season, and only caught about 110 games.
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Post by mac0822 on Nov 23, 2009 14:04:20 GMT -5
MSB's MVP Ballot (if he had one):
1. Tex
2. Jeter
3. ARod
4. CC
5. Mo
6. Joba
7. Posada
8. Jose Molina
9. Brett Gardner
10. Xavier Nady
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 23, 2009 14:08:35 GMT -5
Not at all--but pretending that Yankees don't exist for the sake of trying to prove that I'm not a "Yankee mark" is just as dumb as the ballot you're talking about.
I'm not saying Mauer didn't have an MVP type season. But to deny the anti-Yankee bias in the media in a year where Girardi finished THIRD in the manager of the year vote is almost comical.
And to deny that Tex did have an MVP type season too, and is a better player than Mauer, is as dumb as Mac's ballot.
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Post by yankeegirl49 on Nov 23, 2009 14:12:38 GMT -5
ONE writer voted Miguel Cabrera FIRST. How valuable was HE to his team the last weekend of the season?
These awards are total BS, with that said, congrats to Mauer, he deserved it and if it was Teix who had gotten it, he would have deserved it as well.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 23, 2009 14:20:28 GMT -5
Now THAT is a fair statement. And yeah, Miguel Cabrera getting a 1st place vote? Ahead of Mauer, Tex AND Jeter?
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Post by mac0822 on Nov 23, 2009 14:21:25 GMT -5
Giardi has a $200M payroll. If NY didn't have an all star at every position and won 103 games, he would have won. You don't get that?
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Post by mac0822 on Nov 23, 2009 14:23:11 GMT -5
Am I missing something? Did Cabrera have a bad year?
.324 34HR 103RBI
All this while hitting in a huge ballpark. How many of Tex's HR's are outs at Comerica?
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Post by Chris on Nov 23, 2009 14:24:43 GMT -5
Balls, I'm not trying to prove that I'm not a Yankee Mark.
I'm trying to tell you that a guy who hit THREE HUNDRED SIXTY FIVE is more valuable than a guy who hits .292.
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Post by yankeegirl49 on Nov 23, 2009 14:29:08 GMT -5
Cabrera had a very good year, except when his team needed him the most.
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Post by MSBNYY on Nov 23, 2009 14:32:22 GMT -5
Again, the thought that people on the best team in baseball can't win awards is just asinine. Girardi won 103 games--best team in baseball, and 14 games better than the previous season. If you don't think managing is involved--especially with the pitching staff--then you never watched this team.
25 players win a championship. Jeter and ARod alone combine for about $60 million of that payroll, and ARod was out for 6 weeks. Girardi deserved that award.
A guy who hit .365 is a better hitter for average than a guy who hits .292. But factor in that Tex had more HR, doubles, TRIPLES, and RBI, and played in a tougher division with one of the best gloves in baseball, and he has just as big of a claim over a guy who missed 15 percent of the season, played for a team barely over .500, and didn't play the field in about 50 games or so.
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Post by mac0822 on Nov 23, 2009 14:59:22 GMT -5
Didn't you used to hammer Giambi non stop about "HR's not being important"? Now you're using Tex's advantage in HR's as an argument to overcome a .070 Batting Average difference?
You are also using those BS records of when Mauer played by including when he PINCH HITS or only plays an inning and trying to count it against him. Ever stopped to think that a team is more likely to pinch hit their best hitter when they're behind in games than they are when they're in front?
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